<VV> Libeled again!

[Charles Lee]

My mistake !  

I figured anyone who knows anything about cars would assume that "American"
was implied, since there are dozens of European "sporty" cars that are true
"sports" cars (2-seaters) before the Corvair.

The important point that gets missed is that, among ALL the other cars,
Corvettes, T-Birds, MGs and Deusenberg SJ "Torpedo" Phaetons, most were
designed for the expensive sports car market.

The Corvair targeted the "economy" market, and took the "sports" car world
by surprise, first because it handled like a sports car, but was NOT
supposed to be a "sports" car, and second because it had a (REAL) back set!

What else did the Corvair do first, especially in its bracket ?

Charlie

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[mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of Ramon Rodriguez III
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 3:46 PM
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Subject: Re: <VV> Libeled again!

I agree on all these points.  I'm aware the T-bird was a poor performer and
expensive, the Corvette was a good performer but expensive, tons of foreign
cars were both sporty and affordable....

My point was simply that the Corvair wasn't the "first sporty car"...
anybody could shoot that statement full of holes.  My concern is that if we
try to counter all the horrible falsehoods about Corvairs with statements
that can quickly be proved incorrect we are not helping anybody.

I certainly don't mean any offense to anyone, all of us make mistakes... I'm
REALLY good at it myself!

The sporty car with a back seat was certainly significant, but I don't guess
it was the first in the world... I suppose it was the first in the US =)

Ray R.


On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 6:25 PM, BBRT <chsadek at comcast.net> wrote:

> Ok , you guys... The Corvette was first, then the '55 T bird..both were
> two-seaters. Neither was a 4 seat car.
>
> Beware of the Corvair size. Back then, small.  Now? Large. You would be
> amazed. On track with Brit cars, Porch's, ALfa's, etc.. our car is big.
>
> Take a Cadillac CTS coupe and adjust sizes and put it or overlay it on a
LM
> corvair. You won't believe it!
>
> Chuck S
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Lee" <chaz at properproper.com>
> To: "'Ramon Rodriguez III'" <corvairgrymm at gmail.com>; <
> virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 6:18 PM
>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Libeled again!
>
>
>  OK, but wasn't the T-bird about 2x the cost of a "normal" Ford ?
>>
>> The Corvair was a "cheap" sporty car that was mis-marketed as an
econo-box
>> that made it more affordable than the early 'Bird, IMHO.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> On Behalf Of Ramon Rodriguez III
>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 1:58 PM
>> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>> Subject: Re: <VV> Libeled again!
>>
>> Small but significant correction:
>>
>> first AMERICAN made "sporty" small car.  Also, what about the T-bird?  I
>> think I'd say it was the first affordable (and practical) American sporty
>> car.
>>
>> Ray R.
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Charles Lee <chaz at properproper.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The Corvair was the first to have a "sporty" small car, before which all
>>> small cars were utilitarian econo-boxes.
>>>
>>> Corvair had the first small convertible...
>>>
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