<VV> Parking Brake Cable question - modifications ?

Charles Lee Chaz at ProperProper.com
Thu Sep 16 02:06:19 EDT 2010 

Yes, well that's what I've been doing, and studying the pix :

www.yourbuyersinn.com/Cars/Corvair/1967MonzaParkBrakeInstallation.htm


www.yourbuyersinn.com/Cars/Corvair/1967MonzaParkBrakeOperation.htm

Charlie


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <ronh at owt.com>
To: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - modifications ?


> Well, having a short rear cable is one thing that comes to mind.  Having 
> relocated pulleys is another.  Just keep thinking.
> RonH
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
> To: "Ron" <ronh at owt.com>
> Cc: "VirtualVairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:14 PM
> Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - modifications ?
>
>
>> Yeah - they probably lengthened the car by 4 inches for some extra leg 
>> room, but did a really good job because the floors are perfect !
>>
>> This car has about 75 K before I got her, and it doesn't look near 100 K 
>> more if it went around ?  I doubt that.
>>
>> How could they modify a car to make a cable too short ?
>>
>> ~Cz
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ron" <ronh at owt.com>
>> To: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the car ?
>>
>>
>>>I prefer that they be separate as I go to the local nut house and buy 
>>>stainless steel ones for use under the car.  Also keep in mind that over 
>>>the past fifty years previous owners of your car may have made some 
>>>strange changes to the car's components and you can't always go by the 
>>>model and year when ordering parts.
>>> RonH
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
>>> To: "shortle" <shortle556 at earthlink.net>; "Daniel Monasterio" 
>>> <dmonasterio at hotmail.com>; "VirtualVairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the car ?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hooda thunk you'd need to order the nuts separately ?  They're less 
>>>> than 20
>>>> cents ?????
>>>>
>>>> I ordered by phone and specified the make model year PG etc.
>>>>
>>>> These are Corvair people, or at least they used to be ?
>>>>
>>>> ~Cz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "shortle" <shortle556 at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "shortle" <shortle556 at earthlink.net>; "Charles Lee"
>>>> <Chaz at ProperProper.com>; "Daniel Monasterio" <dmonasterio at hotmail.com>;
>>>> "VirtualVairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:24 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the car ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I just took a look at the Clarks catalogue and they show 3 different 
>>>>>front
>>>>>hand brake cables for Corvair cars. Which one did you get? And right 
>>>>>below
>>>>>them are the nuts (to be ordered seperately).
>>>>> TS in DC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: shortle <shortle556 at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>Sent: Sep 15, 2010 9:16 PM
>>>>>>To: Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com>, Daniel Monasterio
>>>>>><dmonasterio at hotmail.com>, VirtualVairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>>>>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the car ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Understood. You sound frustrated to me so maybe just take a deep 
>>>>>>breath
>>>>>>and walk away from it for awhile. That has worked for me many times 
>>>>>>over
>>>>>>in my career as an auto mechanic. If you believe the cable is too 
>>>>>>short, e
>>>>>>mail Clarks and ask them to measure another cable length and compare 
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>measurement with yours. This will keep them from sending another one 
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>is too short and you having to wait more for something that also will 
>>>>>>not
>>>>>>work. Are you certain you are routing the cable properly? Without 
>>>>>>trying
>>>>>>to make you more frustrated, the PROPER way to do this is to:
>>>>>>1. Hook up cable to lever (ball end)
>>>>>>2. Route cable properly to undercarriage hooking up to (lubed) pulleys
>>>>>>3. Install forward nut onto (lubed) stud [part of cable]
>>>>>>4. Put thru rearward cable (the one that goes to both rear wheels)
>>>>>>5. Install rear nut and adjust for proper handbrake operation
>>>>>>Again, wishing you good luck and I hope to see you and your car next 
>>>>>>month
>>>>>>in Palm Springs
>>>>>>Timothy Shortle in Durango Colorado
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
>>>>>>>Sent: Sep 15, 2010 8:58 PM
>>>>>>>To: shortle <shortle556 at earthlink.net>, Daniel Monasterio
>>>>>>><dmonasterio at hotmail.com>, VirtualVairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the car 
>>>>>>>?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>PS:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No, it's easier to work inside the car - seats removed, plenty of 
>>>>>>>room,
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>nosy neighbors can't see me inside the car (except my feet sometimes)
>>>>>>>because I have to put it up on stands to work underneath.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Most problems have many solutions - the trick is to find a solution 
>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>doesn't cause even more problems !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>Charlie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>From: "shortle" <shortle556 at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>To: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at ProperProper.com>; "Daniel Monasterio"
>>>>>>><dmonasterio at hotmail.com>; "VirtualVairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:26 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - too short ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It wouldn't. But it will be easier to install if you finish the job
>>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>>> the car than trying to finish it under the dash. And I believe you 
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> getting pretty good at this job.Did you compare the lengths of the 
>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>> cables? I know the original had broke but you still ought to be 
>>>>>>>> able to
>>>>>>>> compare the 2 lengths. As always, wishing you good luck.
>>>>>>>> Timothy Shortle in Durango Colorado
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>From: Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sep 15, 2010 8:10 PM
>>>>>>>>>To: Daniel Monasterio <dmonasterio at hotmail.com>, VirtualVairs
>>>>>>>>><virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - too short ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Just curious, but how would that change the length ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>~Cz
>>>>>>>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>>  From: Daniel Monasterio
>>>>>>>>>  To: Charles Lee ; VirtualVairs
>>>>>>>>>  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:01 PM
>>>>>>>>>  Subject: RE: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - too short ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Think you are working backwards. You should start at the ball 
>>>>>>>>> end,
>>>>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Daniel Monasterio
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  > From: Chaz at ProperProper.com
>>>>>>>>>  > To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>>>>>>>>>  > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 18:42:17 -0700
>>>>>>>>>  > Subject: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - too short ?
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > Is the park brake different for EM and LM ?
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > If so, is one shorter, and what other visible difference is 
>>>>>>>>> there ?
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > Problem : I just installed Clark's cable, and reached into the 
>>>>>>>>> bag
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>  > adjustment nuts ? Aarrgghh....
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > I guess they figured we'd re-use the old ones ? OK, but the old
>>>>>>>>> ones
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>  > rusted tight to the old cable and I can't get them off, so I'll
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>  > some new ones, right ?
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > To be certain that I got the right ones before walking a mile 
>>>>>>>>> each
>>>>>>>>> way, I
>>>>>>>>>  > called Clark's to get the right size :
>>>>>>>>>  > The girl says "5/16 24" so I hike over to the hardware store to 
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> the two
>>>>>>>>>  > (2) 18 cent 5/16 24 nuts that Clark's does not include (why not 
>>>>>>>>> ?).
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > So rethread the cable and wrestle with the 5/16 24's a while 
>>>>>>>>> but no
>>>>>>>>> go, so I
>>>>>>>>>  > rip the cable back out and take it with me this time (those 
>>>>>>>>> pulleys
>>>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>>>>  > the dash are NOT fun !)
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > So I try a few more 5/16 24, but they're not 5/16 ***24*** !
>>>>>>>>>  > They're 5/16 ***18***.
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > OK, so back home and thread the needle again, - I'm getting 
>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>> good at
>>>>>>>>>  > this, the third time.
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > Now, the ball doesn't reach the handle under the dash, so I go 
>>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>>>>  > and extend the nuts all the way to the end of the adjustment 
>>>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>  > tail end to get a few more inches.
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > Still the ball end does not reach.
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > Have I been short changed ?
>>>>>>>>>  > Do I have an EM park brake cable ?
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > Or, am I missing something (again) ?
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  > Thanks in advance for your support !
>>>>>>>>>  > Charlie
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  >
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