<VV> Parking Brake Cable question - modifications ?

Charles Lee Chaz at ProperProper.com
Thu Sep 16 01:14:57 EDT 2010 

Yeah - they probably lengthened the car by 4 inches for some extra leg room, 
but did a really good job because the floors are perfect !

This car has about 75 K before I got her, and it doesn't look near 100 K 
more if it went around ?  I doubt that.

How could they modify a car to make a cable too short ?

~Cz


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <ronh at owt.com>
To: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the car ?


>I prefer that they be separate as I go to the local nut house and buy 
>stainless steel ones for use under the car.  Also keep in mind that over 
>the past fifty years previous owners of your car may have made some strange 
>changes to the car's components and you can't always go by the model and 
>year when ordering parts.
> RonH
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
> To: "shortle" <shortle556 at earthlink.net>; "Daniel Monasterio" 
> <dmonasterio at hotmail.com>; "VirtualVairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:50 PM
> Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the car ?
>
>
>> Hooda thunk you'd need to order the nuts separately ?  They're less than 
>> 20
>> cents ?????
>>
>> I ordered by phone and specified the make model year PG etc.
>>
>> These are Corvair people, or at least they used to be ?
>>
>> ~Cz
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "shortle" <shortle556 at earthlink.net>
>> To: "shortle" <shortle556 at earthlink.net>; "Charles Lee"
>> <Chaz at ProperProper.com>; "Daniel Monasterio" <dmonasterio at hotmail.com>;
>> "VirtualVairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the car ?
>>
>>
>>>I just took a look at the Clarks catalogue and they show 3 different 
>>>front
>>>hand brake cables for Corvair cars. Which one did you get? And right 
>>>below
>>>them are the nuts (to be ordered seperately).
>>> TS in DC
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>From: shortle <shortle556 at earthlink.net>
>>>>Sent: Sep 15, 2010 9:16 PM
>>>>To: Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com>, Daniel Monasterio
>>>><dmonasterio at hotmail.com>, VirtualVairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the car ?
>>>>
>>>>Understood. You sound frustrated to me so maybe just take a deep breath
>>>>and walk away from it for awhile. That has worked for me many times over
>>>>in my career as an auto mechanic. If you believe the cable is too short, 
>>>>e
>>>>mail Clarks and ask them to measure another cable length and compare 
>>>>that
>>>>measurement with yours. This will keep them from sending another one 
>>>>that
>>>>is too short and you having to wait more for something that also will 
>>>>not
>>>>work. Are you certain you are routing the cable properly? Without trying
>>>>to make you more frustrated, the PROPER way to do this is to:
>>>>1. Hook up cable to lever (ball end)
>>>>2. Route cable properly to undercarriage hooking up to (lubed) pulleys
>>>>3. Install forward nut onto (lubed) stud [part of cable]
>>>>4. Put thru rearward cable (the one that goes to both rear wheels)
>>>>5. Install rear nut and adjust for proper handbrake operation
>>>>Again, wishing you good luck and I hope to see you and your car next 
>>>>month
>>>>in Palm Springs
>>>>Timothy Shortle in Durango Colorado
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
>>>>>Sent: Sep 15, 2010 8:58 PM
>>>>>To: shortle <shortle556 at earthlink.net>, Daniel Monasterio
>>>>><dmonasterio at hotmail.com>, VirtualVairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>>>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the car ?
>>>>>
>>>>>PS:
>>>>>
>>>>>No, it's easier to work inside the car - seats removed, plenty of room,
>>>>>and
>>>>>nosy neighbors can't see me inside the car (except my feet sometimes)
>>>>>because I have to put it up on stands to work underneath.
>>>>>
>>>>>Most problems have many solutions - the trick is to find a solution 
>>>>>that
>>>>>doesn't cause even more problems !
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Charlie
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>From: "shortle" <shortle556 at earthlink.net>
>>>>>To: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at ProperProper.com>; "Daniel Monasterio"
>>>>><dmonasterio at hotmail.com>; "VirtualVairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:26 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - too short ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It wouldn't. But it will be easier to install if you finish the job
>>>>>> under
>>>>>> the car than trying to finish it under the dash. And I believe you 
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> getting pretty good at this job.Did you compare the lengths of the 2
>>>>>> cables? I know the original had broke but you still ought to be able 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> compare the 2 lengths. As always, wishing you good luck.
>>>>>> Timothy Shortle in Durango Colorado
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
>>>>>>>Sent: Sep 15, 2010 8:10 PM
>>>>>>>To: Daniel Monasterio <dmonasterio at hotmail.com>, VirtualVairs
>>>>>>><virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - too short ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Just curious, but how would that change the length ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>~Cz
>>>>>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>  From: Daniel Monasterio
>>>>>>>  To: Charles Lee ; VirtualVairs
>>>>>>>  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:01 PM
>>>>>>>  Subject: RE: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - too short ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Think you are working backwards. You should start at the ball end,
>>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Daniel Monasterio
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  > From: Chaz at ProperProper.com
>>>>>>>  > To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>>>>>>>  > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 18:42:17 -0700
>>>>>>>  > Subject: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - too short ?
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>  > Is the park brake different for EM and LM ?
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>  > If so, is one shorter, and what other visible difference is there 
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>  > Problem : I just installed Clark's cable, and reached into the 
>>>>>>> bag
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>  > adjustment nuts ? Aarrgghh....
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>  > I guess they figured we'd re-use the old ones ? OK, but the old
>>>>>>> ones
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>  > rusted tight to the old cable and I can't get them off, so I'll
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>  > some new ones, right ?
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>  > To be certain that I got the right ones before walking a mile 
>>>>>>> each
>>>>>>> way, I
>>>>>>>  > called Clark's to get the right size :
>>>>>>>  > The girl says "5/16 24" so I hike over to the hardware store to 
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> the two
>>>>>>>  > (2) 18 cent 5/16 24 nuts that Clark's does not include (why not 
>>>>>>> ?).
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>  > So rethread the cable and wrestle with the 5/16 24's a while but 
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> go, so I
>>>>>>>  > rip the cable back out and take it with me this time (those 
>>>>>>> pulleys
>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>>  > the dash are NOT fun !)
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>  > So I try a few more 5/16 24, but they're not 5/16 ***24*** !
>>>>>>>  > They're 5/16 ***18***.
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>  > OK, so back home and thread the needle again, - I'm getting 
>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>> good at
>>>>>>>  > this, the third time.
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>  > Now, the ball doesn't reach the handle under the dash, so I go 
>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>>  > and extend the nuts all the way to the end of the adjustment part
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>  > tail end to get a few more inches.
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>  > Still the ball end does not reach.
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>  > Have I been short changed ?
>>>>>>>  > Do I have an EM park brake cable ?
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>  > Or, am I missing something (again) ?
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>  > Thanks in advance for your support !
>>>>>>>  > Charlie
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>  >
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