<VV> Directors Call
Scott Morehead
moreheadscott at yahoo.com
Mon Jan 19 14:27:01 EST 2009
Hello Folks,
The Directors are announcing the new election year and process. If you have been thinking about running for the board and perhaps becoming an officer of the society and helping steer CORSA's future direction - send me a note about your interest off the list.
Position(s) are available across the country - don't wait or hesitate get the of interest to me as soon as possible.
Younger folks in the early career process - think about the addition to the resume of being a Board Member for both the CPF (Corvair Preservation Foundation) and CORSA - easily verifiable by the corporate world. Stand out by not only serving your hobby but also by being one of the few with this on their resume - todays environment is the time to stand out.
?'s - send me a note a moreheadscott at yahoo.com - CORSA VP.
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Subject: VirtualVairs Digest, Vol 48, Issue 73
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Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 12:49 PM
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: removing carpet glue (N2VZD at aol.com)
2. Fly Wheels - non Corvair (James P. Rice)
3. Carpet Glue (James P. Rice)
4. Re: VirtualVairs Digest, Vol 48, Issue 71 (Mikeamauro at aol.com)
5. Re: VirtualVairs Digest, Vol 48, Issue 71-Reply to Mark A's
remove the goo question (A.L. CRAMP)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:04:18 EST
From: N2VZD at aol.com
Subject: Re: <VV> removing carpet glue
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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i used spray gasket remover on some of that type glue with decent results.
it also works very well as a paint remover. never had much luck with it on
gaskets though.
regards , tim colson
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:46:45 -0600
From: "James P. Rice" <ricebugg at mtco.com>
Subject: <VV> Fly Wheels - non Corvair
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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All: My other son-in-law, who is not a car guy, had a started die on him
over the course of a few months. It was in a S-10 with the I-4 and auto.
Never said a word to anybody about it.
He replaced the started, and it worked three times. Then it would not
engage. He was able to turn motor over some once with a wrench on the front
pulley, got it going, but the started would not engage next time. He said
the teeth looked bad when he replaced the starter.
Finally took it to a AMMCO shop and had the flywheel/ring gear replaced. He
said looking at the old part, there were three spots with worn teeth, and
the rest were fine.
Which caused me to conclude that engines, at least the S-10's I-4, always
stops in one of three positions each time.
Anybody else observe the same thing on other engines? Or is this a 4
cylinder thing?
Thanks,
Historically Yours,
James Rice
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:46:46 -0600
From: "James P. Rice" <ricebugg at mtco.com>
Subject: <VV> Carpet Glue
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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All: My daughter and son-in-law are in the floor covering business. I
called her and asked about removing carpet glue. She said the best thing to
do is the hammer and chisel method - or a grinder/sander with breathing
protection - rather than using a solvent. There is a solvent those in the
floor covering business sometimes use, but turns the hard glue into a gooey
mess which is worse to deal in their experience.
Historically Yours,
James Rice
Message: 6
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:32:00 -0700
From: "Mark R Aksamit" <mark at asktheagent.info>
Subject: <VV> Get rid of the goo!
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
We are removing the carpet from a 1960 project car and someone GLUED the
carpet in! So we (Austin and I) are trying to get the dried on, AZ baked on,
glue off the floorboards and toe pan. I am considering a mask and lacquer
thinner. Does anyone else have another method and or concoction??
We are also pleading for panels as in door as everything is pretty well
baked! It is a 1960 totally NON optioned 500 4 dr about as plain Jane as
they ever came!
Thanks,
Mark R Aksamit
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:20:40 EST
From: Mikeamauro at aol.com
Subject: Re: <VV> VirtualVairs Digest, Vol 48, Issue 71
To: gyoungwolf at earthlink.net
Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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"... While the battery in question is not in a Corvair, others might have
the same problem. In spite of everything I have done - new battery, new cables,
new correct terminals - I have a battery in my F'93 ord Exploder that insists
on having it's positive terminal produce corrosion. I have been able to
control it somewhat with the red protective spray, but it still sneaks back. I
have six other vehicles and have not had to use the spray and have not had the
same problem with them. Any tips as to what else might be going on in this
vehicle? Thanks, Grant..."
Hi Grant... the problem is likely being caused by electrolyte seeping up
around the post. Not aware of a proven retrofit sealant, but there may be one.
Perhaps try a layer of Vaseline around the post where it meets the top of case.
Mike Mauro
**************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:21:23 -0500
From: "A.L. CRAMP" <alcramp at msn.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> VirtualVairs Digest, Vol 48, Issue 71-Reply to Mark
A's remove the goo question
To: Mike Mauro <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Cc: alcramp at msn.com
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Mark, Here is a tip from an old, old house renovator. Buy a good comercial grade heat gun with a tempeture control. This is not a flame like a torch. Most of the new ones will not heat up to a drastic point so as when using them to soften paint they do not want to burn the paint and oxidize the lead. A good Milwaukee or Makita will run about $80 bucks. Works for lots of other things to. If you have a spare hand held hair dryer you can also try that to see if the glue softens. A nice sharp stiff blade scraper and/or putty knife that you keep sharp with a file or sandpaper and a flat surface and you will find it will goe pretty easy with out the solvent danger. Just don't use the heat gun with the solvent! Hope one of the Eastern guys has a nice rusty 60 with a good interior. -- Lee Cramp - Group Corvair> From: virtualvairs-request at corvair.org> Subject: VirtualVairs Digest, Vol 48, Issue 71> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009
11:06:11 -0500> > Send Virtu
alVairs mailing list submissions to> virtualvairs at corvair.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/virtualvairs> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> virtualvairs-request at corvair.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> virtualvairs-owner at corvair.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of VirtualVairs digest..."> > > Please also edit to include only the topic you're responding to when replying to a Digest.> This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing list, all copyrights are the property> of the writer, please attribute properly.> For help, mail to: vv-help at corvair.org> Archives at http://www.vv.corvair.org/pipermail/virtualvairs/> This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/> Change your options: http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs> >
Today's Topics:> > 1. B
attery Terminal Corrosion Problem (Grant Young)> 2. Re: Battery Terminal Corrosion Problem (N6nev at aol.com)> 3. Re: Electro racer (Jack Kean)> 4. Re: Electro racer (Matt Nall)> 5. Re: Electro racer (Ron)> 6. Get rid of the goo! (Mark R Aksamit)> 7. Robert Ballew's passing (Mike Moyer)> 8. Re: Corvair College 13 - Livermore, CA (Sethracer at aol.com)> 9. 3000 mile 63 on E-bay (The Reinharts)> 10. Re: Robert Ballew's passing (Geoffrey Johnson)> 11. Re: Get rid of the goo! (cfm)> 12. Re: Get rid of the goo! (davep at quik.com)> 13. Re: Get rid of the goo! (Mike Jacobi)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 12:20:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00)> From: Grant Young <gyoungwolf at earthlink.net>> Subject: <VV> Battery Terminal Corrosion Problem> To: "virtualvairs at corvair.org" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>> Message-ID:> <15388256.1232299235590.JavaMail.root at elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>> > Content-Type:
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F-8> > While the battery in question is not in a Corvair, others might have the same problem. In spite of everything I have done - new battery, new cables, new correct terminals - I have a battery in my F'93 ord Exploder that insists on having it's positive terminal produce corrosion. I have been able to control it somewhat with the red protective spray, but it still sneaks back. I have six other vehicles and have not had to use the spray and have not had the same problem with them. Any tips as to what else might be going on in this vehicle? Thanks,> Grant> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 12:27:31 EST> From: N6nev at aol.com> Subject: Re: <VV> Battery Terminal Corrosion Problem> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org> Message-ID: <bc2.3d23da19.36a4c083 at aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> > Overcharging can cause this, check the charging rate with a voltmeter, > raise the rpm to around 1k and the voltage
should be 14.2 or so Lar
ry> > > In a message dated 1/18/2009 9:20:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > gyoungwolf at earthlink.net writes:> > While the battery in question is not in a Corvair, others might have the > same problem. In spite of everything I have done - new battery, new cables, new > correct terminals - I have a battery in my F'93 ord Exploder that insists on > having it's positive terminal produce corrosion. I have been able to control > it somewhat with the red protective spray, but it still sneaks back. I have > six other vehicles and have not had to use the spray and have not had the same > problem with them. Any tips as to what else might be going on in this > vehicle? Thanks,> Grant> _______________________________________________> This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing list, all copyrights are > the property> of the writer, please attribute properly. For help, > mailto:vv-help at corvair.org> This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, >
http://www.corvair.org/> Pos
t messages to: VirtualVairs at corvair.org> Change your options: http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs > _______________________________________________> > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De> cemailfooterNO62)> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 12:36:37 -0600> From: Jack Kean <jkean at sbcglobal.net>> Subject: Re: <VV> Electro racer> To: Mike Jacobi <mvjacobi at comcast.net>> Cc: virtual Vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>> Message-ID: <497376B5.4040904 at sbcglobal.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> > interesting article. also interesting that the cost of this setup > (especially the lithium based battery replacement packs) was never > discussed.> > jack kean> > Mike Jacobi
wrote:> > Vvers...check ou
t this electtric car...makes the water pumpers look sick!> >> > Mike in frozen over Michigan> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:51:31 -0500> From: Matt Nall <patiomatt at aol.com>> Subject: Re: <VV> Electro racer> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org> Message-ID: <8CB47B4E9918266-147C-70E at WEBMAIL-MY26.sysops.aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > > Speed Costs $$$ How fast do you want to go??> > Matt Nall> Hanging out in the southwest for a while..> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Jack Kean <jkean at sbcglobal.net>> > interesting article. also interesting that the cost of this setup> (especially the lithium based battery replacement packs) was never> discussed.> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:46:31 -0800> From: "Ron" <ronh at owt.com>> Subject: Re: <VV> Electro racer> To: "Jack Kean" <jkean at sbcglobal.net>, "Mike Jacobi"> <mvjacobi at comcast.net>> Cc:
virtual Vairs <virtualvairs
@corvair.org>> Message-ID: <660B1607C222498DB126B0CE5DA60F95 at YOUR76500D519C>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> > Cost is no object when you're talking exotic cars.> RonH> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Kean" <jkean at sbcglobal.net>> To: "Mike Jacobi" <mvjacobi at comcast.net>> Cc: "virtual Vairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:36 AM> Subject: Re: <VV> Electro racer> > > > interesting article. also interesting that the cost of this setup> > (especially the lithium based battery replacement packs) was never> > discussed.> >> > jack kean> >> > Mike Jacobi wrote:> >> Vvers...check out this electtric car...makes the water pumpers look sick!> >>> >> Mike in frozen over Michigan> >>> > _______________________________________________> > This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing list, all copyrights are > > the property> > of the writer, please attribute properly.
For help, > > mailto:
vv-help at corvair.org> > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, > > http://www.corvair.org/> > Post messages to: VirtualVairs at corvair.org> > Change your options: > > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs> > _______________________________________________> > > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:32:00 -0700> From: "Mark R Aksamit" <mark at asktheagent.info>> Subject: <VV> Get rid of the goo!> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>> Message-ID: <20090119003205.0095E3789F at tiger.skiblack.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > We are removing the carpet from a 1960 project car and someone GLUED the> carpet in! So we (Austin and I) are trying to get the dried on, AZ baked on,> glue off the floorboards and toe pan. I am considering a mask and lacquer> thinner. Does anyone else have another method and or concoction?? > > > > We are also pleading for panels as in door as everything is
pretty well> baked! I
t is a 1960 totally NON optioned 500 4 dr about as plain Jane as> they ever came!> > > > Thanks,> > > > Mark R Aksamit> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 7> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 20:05:48 -0800 (PST)> From: Mike Moyer <vairvert67 at yahoo.com>> Subject: <VV> Robert Ballew's passing> To: corvanatics <corvanatics at corvair.org>, virtual vairs> <virtualvairs at corvair.org>> Message-ID: <493553.13257.qm at web36101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1> > All,> I received a call today from Robert Ballews son today.> I am sad to report he passed away last week.> ?Mike Moyer> CorvanAntics Editor> 1963 Corvair 95 84hp Powerglide 18K miles> 1965 Greenbrier 110hp 4 Spd> 1965 Monza Convertible 140hp 4spd 3:55 Posi AM/FM > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 8> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:36:22 EST> From: Sethracer at aol.com> Subject: Re: <VV> Corvair College 13 - Livermore, CA> To: charliemorgan at comcast.net,
virtualvairs at corvair.org> Messag
e-ID: <bf1.4723286e.36a55d46 at aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> > > > In a message dated 1/9/2009 3:19:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, > charliemorgan at comcast.net writes:> > I received a message from the Aircraft Auto Engine Group (on Yahoo) > about a "Corvair College" in Livermore, CA, on Jan 16, 17 and 18. It is > hosted by the Corvair aircraft guru William Wynne. Looks interesting. > Here's a link to the event:> http://web.mac.com/flaglvk/iWeb/FLAG/ccol.html> > Charlie Morgan> _______________________________________________> > > > > Charlie - Thank you for the notice. I registered and attended the "Corvair > College" both Friday evening and all day Saturday. I will write up a review. > The closest comparison I can draw would be the Performance Workshop that > FastVair and a few dedicated Midwest folks have been hosting for the last few > years. The folks who are building the Corvair motor for light/experimental > aviation use are
quite motivated. The num
bers are amazing and the group is spread > all over the US - even some in Europe. Their usage has inspired production of > several new performance parts which will eventually find their way into racing > and performance Corvair cars. Out of 40-45 attendees, I was probably the > only current Corvair "car" guy (meaning no aircraft interest) - But there were > several racers there - folks who had been running various cars for many > years. Also, some of the people had been introduced to the Corvair motor through > their search for their "core" motors. More than one of them commented on what > a neat car they thought the Corvair was, and that they were considering > finding a nice Corvair for regular street driving. The focus of this "Corvair > College 13" was the preparation and assembly of the cases and bottom end of the > participants motors. There were at least a dozen case sets being prepped and > assembled there. Lots of plastigage and measuring was
going on. > I had a gre
at time and would have attended today - for the close out. But I > had to bring my Corvair out to an Autocross for the season opener. Oh Well!> > > Seth Emerson> > C's the Day! - Corvair, Camaro, Corvette> > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De> cemailfooterNO62)> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 9> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 06:28:16 -0600> From: "The Reinharts" <jtreinhart at omnitelcom.com>> Subject: <VV> 3000 mile 63 on E-bay> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>> Message-ID: <BE8000EDB1954059A9397DA4A4414D88 at yourrzz82f2v3l>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > All, Hold on to your hats. I just checked E-Bay and the 63 is up over $22,000. WOW!!> > Jamie> > ------------------------------> > Message: 10> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009
22:19:04 -0700> From: "Geoffr
ey Johnson" <GeJohnson at salud.unm.edu>> Subject: Re: <VV> Robert Ballew's passing> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>> Message-ID: <4973AAD8.904B.0053.1 at salud.unm.edu>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII> > Oh my. I can not say I knew him too personally, but spoke with him at the fan belt toss on a number of occasions, and read his stuff.> My condolences.> > -Geoff Johnson> > > >>> Mike Moyer <vairvert67 at yahoo.com> 1/18/2009 9:05 PM >>>> All,> I received a call today from Robert Ballews son today.> I am sad to report he passed away last week.> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 11> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 07:27:25 -0800 (PST)> From: cfm <cfmann at yahoo.com>> Subject: Re: <VV> Get rid of the goo!> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org, Mark R Aksamit <mark at asktheagent.info>> Message-ID: <792725.18623.qm at web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii> > is the adhesive still pliable and yellow looking? Or hard and crusty. if
the first, may be a ind
oor/outdoor carpet glue and that stuff does not break down very easily with solvents. only thing I can think of is paint stripper, maybe some soft core green eco style paint stripper from home cheapo. May have to consider a soft wire wheel on an electric drill otherwise.> IMHO, -chris mann> > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Mark R Aksamit <mark at asktheagent.info> wrote:> From: Mark R Aksamit <mark at asktheagent.info>> Subject: <VV> Get rid of the goo!> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org> Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 12:32 AM> > We are removing the carpet from a 1960 project car and someone GLUED the> carpet in! So we (Austin and I) are trying to get the dried on, AZ baked on,> glue off the floorboards and toe pan. I am considering a mask and lacquer> thinner. Does anyone else have another method and or concoction?? > > > > We are also pleading for panels as in door as everything is pretty well> baked! It is a 1960 totally NON optioned 500 4 dr about as plain Jane as>
they ever came!> > > > T
hanks,> > > > Mark R Aksamit> > _______________________________________________> This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing list, all copyrights are the> property> of the writer, please attribute properly. For help, mailto:vv-help at corvair.org> This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/> Post messages to: VirtualVairs at corvair.org> Change your options: http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs > _______________________________________________> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 12> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 10:31:34 -0500 (EST)> From: davep at quik.com> Subject: Re: <VV> Get rid of the goo!> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org> Message-ID: <3310.98.229.180.4.1232379094.squirrel at pop.quik.com>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1> > > is the adhesive still pliable and yellow looking?> ....> > >> We are removing the carpet from a 1960 project car and someone GLUED the> >> carpet in!> > SOME
adhesives go semi liquid, o
r lose tacky, when heated.> No guarantees, but maybe worth a try??> > best> dwp> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 13> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:06:06 -0500> From: Mike Jacobi <mvjacobi at comcast.net>> Subject: Re: <VV> Get rid of the goo!> To: <davep at quik.com>, virtual Vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>> Message-ID: <C59A0F1E.B80D%mvjacobi at comcast.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> > But be real careful using solvents around anything electric. The neighbor> used Gasoline to clean some parts in his garage and the resulting explosion> blew him through the door. He is all healed up now, but is unlikely to> forget that particular blast.> > > On 1/19/09 10:31 AM, "davep at quik.com" <davep at quik.com> wrote:> > >> is the adhesive still pliable and yellow looking?> > ....> > > >>> We are removing the carpet from a 1960 project car and someone GLUED the> >>> carpet in!> > > > SOME adhesives go semi liquid, or lose tacky, when heated.> >
No guarantees, but ma
ybe worth a try??> > > > best> > dwp> > > > _______________________________________________> > This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing list, all copyrights are the> > property> > of the writer, please attribute properly. For help, mailto:vv-help at corvair.org> > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/> > Post messages to: VirtualVairs at corvair.org> > Change your options: http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs> > _______________________________________________> > -- > > > > > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing list, all copyrights are the property> of the writer, please attribute properly. For help, mail to: vv-help at corvair.org> This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/> VirtualVairs at corvair.org> http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/virtualvairs> Change
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