<VV> 1965 GM manual (page 6Y-19, Fig 8i) Spark Plug Wire Placement question

[J R Read_HML]

And the answer is....   TADA, light bulb goes on!

Stand behind the car and #1 is around the 5 O'clock position.  BUT stand on 
the right side of the car - as the arrow (on 6Y-19) indicates that the front 
of the car is to your right - and now #1 is at about the 9 O'clock position.

Oh, my brain hurts.

Later, JR

CCE CORSA CORVANANTICS SCG member
'61 Rampside Standard 4/110
'65 Monza Convertible 4/140

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Western Canada CORSA" <westerncanadacorsa at shaw.ca>
To: "'Charles Lee'" <chaz at ProperProPer.com>; <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: <VV> 1965 GM manual (page 6Y-19,Fig 8i) Spark Plug Wire 
Placement question


> Good question!  On all the 'vairs I've ever worked on #1 is more around
> where the 3/4 wires are placed in that diagram.
>
> Regards,
> Joel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org
> [mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of Charles Lee
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:38 PM
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> Subject: <VV> 1965 GM manual (page 6Y-19,Fig 8i) Spark Plug Wire Placement
> question
>
>
>
> Is this diagram correct ?
>
> This is from the GM manual (page 6Y-19, Fig 8i) for 1965 for spark plug 
> wire
> placement, but it looks wrong ?
>
> http://www.yourbuyersinn.com/Cars/Corvair/CorvairManualPlugWirePlacement
> Errors.jpg
>
> What do you think ?
>
> Maybe this is an early edition of the manual before they corrected it ? Or
> am I looking at it upside-down or something ?
>
> Thanks for proofing it for me,
> Charlie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Spence Shepard [mailto:sshepard3 at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 6:35 PM
> To: Charles Lee
> Subject: Re: <VV> How to 'cold set' ignition timing ? 1967 Monza 110 PG
>
>
> Charles,
>
> The timing must be set when #1 piston is at TDC on the compressions stoke.
> You need to determine than like I said below.
>
> When you get it there the rotor should be pointing to the #1 position on 
> the
>
> distributor cap. It probably isn't right now. Remove the distributor and 
> put
>
> it back in with the rotor pointed at #1. It won't go all the way down
> because the tang on the end of the distributor shaft won't line up with 
> the
> oil pump. You'll need to turn the engine over until the distributor falls
> into the pump. It will help if you have someone turn the engine while you
> push down on the distributor. Once it goes down install the piece that 
> locks
>
> it in place. Leave the nut a little loose so you can turn the distributor.
>
> Check the position of the distributor again with the mark on the damper at 
> 0
>
> degrees. If it is about 180 degrees from #1 on the cap, turn the engine
> around one time. Set the distributor so that the rotor lines up with #1 on
> the cap. Tighten the nut enough so that the distributor  will stay in 
> place.
>
> Install the cap and start the engine. Set the timing with a timing light.
> Remember to set it with the vacuum to the advance disconnected.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Spence
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charles Lee" <chaz at ProperProPer.com>
> To: "'Spence Shepard'" <sshepard3 at earthlink.net>
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 8:24 PM
> Subject: RE: <VV> How to 'cold set' ignition timing ? 1967 Monza 110 PG
>
>
>> The distributor was removed and the engine turned manually.
>>
>> I have set the crank to TDC #1 (Is this mechanically the same
>> regardless of stroke ?)
>>
>> I then re-installed the distributor with the rotor pointing (slightly
>> downward) to #1 cylinder.
>>
>> I then rotate the distributor about 1/4 of the way CCW between #1 and
>> #6 (which is about 14 degrees, right ?)
>>
>> Question ?? --> Should the rotor point straight forward, or slightly
>> down to # cylinder ?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Spence Shepard [mailto:sshepard3 at earthlink.net]
>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 4:38 PM
>> To: Charles Lee
>> Subject: Re: <VV> How to 'cold set' ignition timing ? 1967 Monza 110
>> PG
>>
>>
>> Charles,
>>
>> You first need to get #1 at TDC (top dead center) on the compression
>> stroke. Remove #1 plug and turn engine until you can feel (with a
>> finger in the plug
>> hole) compression (tries to blow finger out). Continue turning until
>> timing mark on damper is at 0 degrees. Now set timing like you
>> described.
>>
>> If the distributor has been removed you need to place it so the rotor
>> is
>>
>> where you want #1. It is usually near straight back.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Spence Shepard
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Charles Lee" <chaz at ProperProPer.com>
>> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 6:45 PM
>> Subject: <VV> How to 'cold set' ignition timing ? 1967 Monza 110 PG
>>
>>
>>> On my 1967 Monza 110 PG, I have :
>>>
>>> 1-Fuel to the carb inlets (I can see the streams)
>>>   (Plus a little starting fluid in each carb)
>>>
>>> 2-Spark to the plugs (which is why the wrench I was holding is now in
>>> my neighbor's yard)
>>>
>>> 3-SethRacer's wires are in the correct order (1-4-5-2-3-6 CW)
>>>
>>> 4-Crank set to TDC & distributor rotor points to #1
>>>
>>> 5-Distributor cap #1 wire is a bit CCW of where rotor points to #1
>>>
>>> Hmmmm ...
>>>
>>> Looks like the only thing missing is timing -
>>> -- how do I set the initial position of the distributor ?
>>>
>>> I want to get it set up right, so as not to kill the battery trying !
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Charlie
>>> 1967 Monza 110 PG
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org
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>>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 1:11 PM
>>> To: alan.wesson at atlas.co.uk
>>> Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>>> Subject: Re: <VV> Languages (no Corvair) - was Video of the 2008 NW
>>> VairRoundup i Boi...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 9/21/2008 12:03:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
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>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
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