<VV> ignition timing?? pertronix??

Tue Aug 5 23:04:34 EDT 2008

> From: virtualvairs-request at corvair.org> Subject: VirtualVairs Digest, Vol 43, Issue 13> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:44:15 -0400> > Send VirtualVairs mailing list submissions to> virtualvairs at corvair.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/virtualvairs> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> virtualvairs-request at corvair.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> virtualvairs-owner at corvair.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of VirtualVairs digest..."> > > Please also edit to include only the topic you're responding to when replying to a Digest.> This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing list, all copyrights are the property> of the writer, please attribute properly.> For help, mail to: vv-help at corvair.org> Archives at http://www.vv.corvair.org/pipermail/virtualvairs/> This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/> Change your options: http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs> > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: Do I need to prime fuel system? (J R Read_HML)> 2. Re: Pitch dark is a good thing. <NO CORVAIR> (cfm)> 3. Re: oil blowing out of dipstick (Michael Kovacs)> 4. Re: Cover for rampside (cfm)> 5. Arcing wires in the dark (Clark Hartzel)> 6. Ignition Timing?? Pertronix?? (P.H. Raker)> 7. Re: Ignition Timing?? Pertronix?? (J R Read_HML)> 8. Corvair Drag Racing (asuter at buckeye-express.com)> 9. Re: Ignition Timing?? Pertronix?? (P.H. Raker)> 10. My Corvair Olympix - Part 2 - Muncie (Rick Loving)> 11. Re: Piston transplant update (Ken Campbell)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:55:20 -0500> From: "J R Read_HML" <hmlinc at sbcglobal.net>> Subject: Re: <VV> Do I need to prime fuel system?> To: "Jedd Hebrink" <jhebrink at anvilcom.com>, <virtualvairs at corvair.org>> Message-ID: <45CB62C10F27420481EA826AD1534BC6 at OFFICEDELL>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> > Is the tank near empty? Add a gallon or two. If there is adequate gas in > the tank, gravity should bring it at least to the firewall rubber > connection.> > Also check for air leak at the rubber connections near the tank (before you > add the gas per above sentence?).> > The main line through the tunnel could be plugged - mud daubers or some such > while the car was apart. Disconnect at both ends and blow through with a > compressor. Don't use the compressor to blow all the way back to the tank > as that will likely blow the strainer off of the pickup in the tank.> > Are you smelling gas or noting any wet spots under the car? That main line > could have an air leak - but that would be highly unusual. The most likely > air leak is one of the two rubber portions and/or their connections.> > You CAN prime the mechanical fuel pump by loosening the tapered bolt and > pushing it up and down several (maybe 30?) times. This should fill the > bowls in the carbs. OR - you could just crank the motor over with the > starter, which should not take long to fill the carbs.> > Later, JR> CCE CORSA CORVANANTICS SCG member> '61 Rampside Standard 4/110> '65 Monza Convertible 4/140> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jedd Hebrink" <jhebrink at anvilcom.com>> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:21 PM> Subject: <VV> Do I need to prime fuel pump/fuel system?> > > > Thanks to all for the great advice over the past few months - I finally > > have> > the engine back together and back in my daughter's 66 Monza 110 PG. I am> > trying to start it, and it will start if I pour a tablespoon of gas in > > each> > carb. But I cannot keep it running because it is not drawing gas from the> > tank. I checked the line at the rubber/metal connection just in front of> > the firewall, and no gas. I can blow into that line and hear bubbles in > > the> > tank. I am a little nervous about siphoning the line by mouth, and I > > don't> > have an adequate pump to draw gas to that point.> >> > Should the mechanical fuel pump be able to draw gas all the way from the> > tank if the line has not been purged? In other words, do I need to prime> > the system, or vent the air that is in the line? Or, does this scenario> > suggest I have a fault with my fuel pump?> >> > The good news is that I seem to have the timing close enough that the > > engine> > will actually run for as long as the gas in the carb holds out.> >> > Thanks,> > Jedd> > 1966 Monza 110 PG> > Austin, TX> >> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > Checked by AVG.> > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1592 - Release Date: 8/5/2008> > 6:03 AM> >> > _______________________________________________> > This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing list, all copyrights are > > the property> > of the writer, please attribute properly. For help, > > mailto:vv-help at corvair.org> > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, > > http://www.corvair.org/> > Post messages to: VirtualVairs at corvair.org> > Change your options: > > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs> > _______________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:20:37 -0700 (PDT)> From: cfm <cfmann at yahoo.com>> Subject: Re: <VV> Pitch dark is a good thing. <NO CORVAIR>> To: JVHRoberts at aol.com> Cc: Virtual Vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>> Message-ID: <1521.39070.qm at web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1> > e-x-a-c-t-l-y ;-)? ah, maybe a 4, I wasn't all that picky LOL> > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, JVHRoberts at aol.com <JVHRoberts at aol.com> wrote:> From: JVHRoberts at aol.com <JVHRoberts at aol.com>> Subject: Re: <VV> Pitch dark is a good thing. <NO CORVAIR>> To: cfmann at yahoo.com, VirtualVairs at corvair.org, epssax at yahoo.com> Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 7:33 PM> > > > > > > Went to bed at 2 with a 10, and woke up at 10 with a 2? <G>> ?> In a message dated 8/5/2008 1:09:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > cfmann at yahoo.com writes:> I've had > a few blind dates in my day when pitch black was a good thing.... > ;-)> > > ?> > > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos.> > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:32:06 -0700 (PDT)> From: Michael Kovacs <kovacsmj at sbcglobal.net>> Subject: Re: <VV> oil blowing out of dipstick> To: John Gull <johngull at bellsouth.net>> Cc: VV <virtualvairs at corvair.org>> Message-ID: <97413.15831.qm at web82006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1> > My first guess would be a clogged crank vent system. Is there pressure in the filler when you take the cap off while running?? Bottom line is there is no place for the blow by to escape except up the filler ?tube.> ?> ?any body else have additional ideas?> ?MIKE KOVACS > > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: John Gull <johngull at bellsouth.net>> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org> Sent: Monday, August 4, 2008 11:05:17 PM> Subject: <VV> oil blowing out of dipstick> > HI all.? out there in Corvair land.? I was getting some oil on top of the> motor near oil filler tube/oil pressure sender. I have replaced sender with> a new one and also put more cardboard in the filler cap. Still getting some> oil in that area as well as the dipstick area. I have installed a hose on> the dipstick tube and ran the hose into a bottle to collect the oil. I have> managed to accumulate a small amount of oil from dipstick mod. So what are> the symptoms? More importantly what are the solutions? By the way, this is a> 140/4speed! Many thanks to all! Let me know @ johngull at bellsouth.net? John> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________> This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing list, all copyrights are the property> of the writer, please attribute properly. For help, mailto:vv-help at corvair.org> This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/> Post messages to: VirtualVairs at corvair.org> Change your options: http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs > _______________________________________________> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:38:32 -0700 (PDT)> From: cfm <cfmann at yahoo.com>> Subject: Re: <VV> Cover for rampside> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org, corvanatics at corvair.org, Dennis Dorogi> <dfamily at fairpoint.net>> Message-ID: <517798.27753.qm at web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii> > http://www.zapworld.com/node/900> > > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Dennis Dorogi <dfamily at fairpoint.net> wrote:> From: Dennis Dorogi <dfamily at fairpoint.net>> Subject: <VV> Cover for rampside> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org, corvanatics at corvair.org> Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 6:37 PM> > I have been thinking about getting a cover for my rampside. It would be used> mainly indoors and the occasional overnighter at corvair events. Just how> practical is a cover for this vehicle? It seems to me that it would be difficult> to install a cover on a rampside. Any opinions & comments on your> experience with a cover for a rampside would be appreciated. Dennis Dorogi> _______________________________________________> This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing list, all copyrights are the> property> of the writer, please attribute properly. For help, mailto:vv-help at corvair.org> This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/> Post messages to: VirtualVairs at corvair.org> Change your options: http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs > _______________________________________________> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:21:20 -0400> From: "Clark Hartzel" <chartzel at comcast.net>> Subject: <VV> Arcing wires in the dark> To: "Virtual Vairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>> Message-ID: <000f01c8f738$d37e5400$6121f362 at grumpyjo>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Before I went to the Olympics I noticed the harmonic balancer on my> engine was suspect. The marks hadn't slipped yet but I said "it will> certainly fail the first day there"> I found a rebuilt one in my stash and installed it to be safe. After I> started the engine I noticed arcing/sparks jumping from the balancer to> the timing housing. Weirdest thing I've ever seen (other than looking> in a mirror). It must have been static electricity as there is no> electrical connection I could find! It didn't bother anything and the> engine ran fine the whole event.> Clark Hartzel> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:27:37 -0700 (PDT)> From: "P.H. Raker" <n556p at yahoo.com>> Subject: <VV> Ignition Timing?? Pertronix??> To: Virtual Vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>> Message-ID: <421204.30128.qm at web33201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii> > Hello, all you ignition experts,> I'm finding a situation with my 'Brier 110/4 that puzzles me. Much of the time it runs wonderfully. BUT, occasionally it will start pinging and knocking like someone has advanced the timing by about 15 degrees. Of course, when that happens, it also gets very gutless - will hardly hold a steady speed. If I can downshift or coax it up to 3000 rpm or more and hold it there for about 10-15 seconds the problem usually seems to clear and it gets smooth and quiet again.> It has a Pertronix 1 installed. Is there something going crazy in the Pertronix unit? Is it something else? I can't think what else it could be.> Thanx in (not ignition timing) advance.> > Phil Raker> '65 Corsa Cpe - 140/4> '63 Greenbrier - 110/4> > > > -> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 7> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:36:20 -0500> From: "J R Read_HML" <hmlinc at sbcglobal.net>> Subject: Re: <VV> Ignition Timing?? Pertronix??> To: <n556p at yahoo.com>, "Virtual Vairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>> Message-ID: <687FDD19C2EF4C66B41755885209DB82 at OFFICEDELL>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> > I know nothing - from Pertronix.> > What octane gas? How hot is the engine getting when this happens? How > about the coil, maybe it is about to fail and the symptoms become more > apparent the hotter it gets?> > Just a couple of "off the wall?" thoughts.> > Later, JR> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "P.H. Raker" <n556p at yahoo.com>> To: "Virtual Vairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 3:27 PM> Subject: <VV> Ignition Timing?? Pertronix??> > > > Hello, all you ignition experts,> > I'm finding a situation with my 'Brier 110/4 that puzzles me. Much of > > the time it runs wonderfully. BUT, occasionally it will start pinging and > > knocking like someone has advanced the timing by about 15 degrees. Of > > course, when that happens, it also gets very gutless - will hardly hold a > > steady speed. If I can downshift or coax it up to 3000 rpm or more and > > hold it there for about 10-15 seconds the problem usually seems to clear > > and it gets smooth and quiet again.> > It has a Pertronix 1 installed. Is there something going crazy in the > > Pertronix unit? Is it something else? I can't think what else it could > > be.> > Thanx in (not ignition timing) advance.> >> > Phil Raker> > '65 Corsa Cpe - 140/4> > '63 Greenbrier - 110/4> >> >> >Hi Phil-
     Check to make sure something isn't messed up with your
    vacuum advance! it sure sounds like the vacuum advance
     might just be loose on your distributor- when that happens
    the timing can get very retarded (loosing a WHOLE bunch of
    power) then the engine gets very hot and starts pinging anyways! also, they can simply fail to advance and or retard
 and then not advance. You can do a simple test (far from 
 fool proof) by taking off the cap and rotor and then disconnect
the vacuum line- suck on the line and see if the timing advances
when you suck on it. also, check to make sure that the screws
securing the vacuum advance pod to the  distributor are tight.
Kevin Nash
Efi 63 spyder> > -> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing list, all copyrights are > > the property> > of the writer, please attribute properly. For help, > > mailto:vv-help at corvair.org> > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, > > http://www.corvair.org/> > Post messages to: VirtualVairs at corvair.org> > Change your options: > > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs> > _______________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 8> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:12:56 -0700> From: "" <asuter at buckeye-express.com>> Subject: <VV> Corvair Drag Racing> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>> Message-ID: <20080805141256.59B8C4F2 at resin14.mta.everyone.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 9> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:33:42 -0700 (PDT)> From: "P.H. Raker" <n556p at yahoo.com>> Subject: Re: <VV> Ignition Timing?? Pertronix??> To: Virtual Vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>, J R Read_HML> <hmlinc at sbcglobal.net>> Message-ID: <392071.60861.qm at web33204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii> > Octane: 93> Temp: doesn't seem tomake any difference. The engine is quite cold-natured, but this can occur any time from just after drive-away to fully warmed to normal operating temp on a 75 deg day.> > > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, J R Read_HML <hmlinc at sbcglobal.net> wrote:> > > > I know nothing - from Pertronix.> > > > What octane gas? How hot is the engine getting when this> > happens? How > > about the coil, maybe it is about to fail and the symptoms> > become more > > apparent the hotter it gets?> > > > Just a couple of "off the wall?" thoughts.> > > > Later, JR> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "P.H. Raker" <n556p at yahoo.com>> > To: "Virtual Vairs"> > <virtualvairs at corvair.org>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 3:27 PM> > Subject: <VV> Ignition Timing?? Pertronix??> > > > > > > Hello, all you ignition experts,> > > I'm finding a situation with my 'Brier> > 110/4 that puzzles me. Much of > > > the time it runs wonderfully. BUT, occasionally it> > will start pinging and > > > knocking like someone has advanced the timing by about> > 15 degrees. Of > > > course, when that happens, it also gets very gutless -> > will hardly hold a > > > steady speed. If I can downshift or coax it up to> > 3000 rpm or more and > > > hold it there for about 10-15 seconds the problem> > usually seems to clear > > > and it gets smooth and quiet again.> > > It has a Pertronix 1 installed. Is there> > something going crazy in the > > > Pertronix unit? Is it something else? I can't> > think what else it could > > > be.> > > Thanx in (not ignition timing) advance.> > >> > > Phil Raker> > > '65 Corsa Cpe - 140/4> > > '63 Greenbrier - 110/4> > >> > >> > >> > > -> > >> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________> > > This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing> > list, all copyrights are > > > the property> > > of the writer, please attribute properly. For help, > > > mailto:vv-help at corvair.org> > > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America,> > > > > http://www.corvair.org/> > > Post messages to: VirtualVairs at corvair.org> > > Change your options: > > > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs> > > _______________________________________________> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 10> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:50:25 -0500> From: "Rick Loving" <ral1963 at comcast.net>> Subject: <VV> My Corvair Olympix - Part 2 - Muncie> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>> Cc: fastvair at yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20080805215008.B1E57378A4 at tiger.skiblack.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > > > Here is part two of my fun at the Olympix....more to come...> > Scroll down to the Muncie thread....> > http://corvaircenter.com/phorum/read.php?1,154292,154292#msg-154292 > > Don't read any negatives into my post, I had the most fun I could with my> clothes on and will be a regular at future events.> > I am just trying to tell my tale as it unfolded....autocross is next....> > > Rick Loving> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 11> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:44:09 -0500> From: "Ken Campbell" <deltainc at grm.net>> Subject: Re: <VV> Piston transplant update> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>> Message-ID: <007b01c8f74c$c7f0a070$d97b8bd8 at deltaone>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Blackwell" <bryan at skiblack.com>> Subject: <VV> Piston transplant update> a to do list for the car as it is solid but needs all the usual> > things replaced - including the 10 year old Michelins.> >> > --Bryan> **********> Hey, if those are genuine high end Michelins, give em another 5 years or so> ... they are probably better at 10 years old ( especially if not setting in> the sun all this time ) ... than some of the new ones NEW .> > **************> Check for ultraviolet dry rot and sidewall cracking and seperation .. then> run'em bald !!! That is why you paid the big bucks for the Dough Boy> products.> > Ken Campbell, Michelin Rules in Iowaho> > > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing list, all copyrights are the property> of the writer, please attribute properly. For help, mail to: vv-help at corvair.org> This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/> VirtualVairs at corvair.org> http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/virtualvairs> Change your options: http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs> > End of VirtualVairs Digest, Vol 43, Issue 13> ********************************************
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