<VV> Re: VirtualVairs Digest, Vol 24, Issue 54
Matthew Klopfer
corvairdroptop at yahoo.com
Tue Jan 9 01:03:54 EST 2007
Alright, I've already proven my ignorance. A quick glance at the shop manual shows that the valve goes directly into the back of the cylinder. So I'll need to replace that, which doesn't seem quite as daunting.
Sure, I have brake lines new in the box. I also have brake hoses. The reason these are still in the box and not on the car is because I CANNOT get the old lines off. That will present a major problem for me as I try to finish up this project.
Does anyone have any good tips for getting these off? Penetrating fluid has done nothing.
My flare wrenches slide along the fittings and grip them in the next position without actually moving them at all. This is infuriating. It makes me want to cut off all of the parts, drill two new holes in the trunk, and make my own way. How un-advisable is that?
Matt
1968 Monza 110 Convertible
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: oil leak at rear of engine - need your help! (Frank DuVal)
2. Re: How Many (Frank DuVal)
3. How Many (stan east)
4. RE: aero data (Steven R. Marti)
5. Re: How many? Who's keeping tract?? (TimogensTurbo at aol.com)
6. RE: How many? now paint (Zane Brock)
7. how many (Dennis & Debbie PLEAU)
8. Re: Re: <How Many> (Walter Majewsky)
9. Re: 110 HP engine (LonzoVair at aol.com)
10. Re: How Many (Tony Underwood)
11. Re: Future Corvair values according to BJ (Bill Chellis)
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From: Frank DuVal <corvairduval at cox.net>
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Subject: Re: <VV> oil leak at rear of engine - need your help!
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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:45:47 -0500
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If you lower the engine, any standard harmonic balancer can be used. No
need for the special tool. The special tool saves several hours of R & R
time. 30 minutes tops with tool, typically 15. But, as you say it helps
to know how the pieces come off and go back together!
Frank DuVal
Bryan Blackwell wrote:
> Answers in line:
> On Jan 7, 2007, at 3:57 PM, rbkj84 at comcast.net wrote:
>
>> Do I need to drop the rear of the engine down or can I do it with
>> that small puller that Lon sells and indicates is very good for this
>> job? Can I get to the seal behind the dampener when the dampener is
>> off with the engine still in place?
>
>
> I wouldn't try it without the engine lowered. There is more to take
> off, but it really makes it easy to see what you're doing. I realize
> that the experienced guys can do it with the engine still bolted up,
> but it is going to be trickier. In any case, the puller made for
> Corvairs works very well.
>
> --Bryan
>
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From: Frank DuVal <corvairduval at cox.net>
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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:57:52 -0500
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Trying to catch up to me hunh?
Of course most of mine bought the farm.
I mean they are on Paul's farm.
So I guess they are not mine now....
Frank DuVal
Tony Underwood wrote:
> ...Humm... the fleet?
>
> OK, here goes...
>
>
> 1960 Monza coupe 80 PG (really nice shape, stashed)
> 1960 700 4-door 110 PG (very ugly, daily driver)
> 1961 Lakewood 80 PG (red, low miles, stashed 'til spring)
> 1961 Lakewood 80 PG (to be white, rock solid, waiting for spring to
> finish paint)
> 1961 Lakewood 80 PG (straight and fairly solid but kinda ugly, project
> for later)
> 1962 Monza convertible 110 4-sp (rock solid driver, low miles, good
> runner)
> 1963 Spyder convertible project (no engine, excellent body, torn down
> for resto-mod)
> 1964 Spyder coupe (terribly/unsafely rusted, cut up & stored in pieces)
> 1964 Monza coupe 110 4-sp (straight solid body but very rusty floors,
> future project?)
> 1965 Greenbrier 110 PG (really needs cosmetics, stashed)
> 1965 Corsa convertible 140 (stashed away waiting for paint)
> 1965 Monza convertible 110 PG (project, decent body but no interior or
> top, stashed)
> 1966 Monza convertible 110 PG (kinda rough, incomplete but has
> promise, stashed)
> 1967 500 coupe 95 3-sp (total stripper, Nantucket blue, nice daily
> driver)
> 1968 Monza coupe 110 4-sp (holed piston, needs cosmetics, stashed)
> 1969 Monza coupe 140 PG (loaded w/options, in primer, stashed til spring)
> 1969 Monza coupe 110 PG (accident victim, badly damaged but not
> forgotten, stashed)
> 1969 Monza coupe 110 PG (recently acquired project, not bad, stashed)
>
>
> I think that's all of them.
>
>
> tony..
>
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Subject: <VV> How Many
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 23:06:01 -0500
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Corvairs in my life
Running (now in winter storage)
1966 Willow Run Corsa coupe with Factory Air Conditioning purchased in 1989
(as seen at Chicago in 2001 & Buffalo in 2006)
Not Running
1966 Canadian built 500 coupe with full roll cage purchased in 1974 ex ice
racer definitely group red
Scrapped
1967 Monza sedan 110 PG owned for 4 months while parted out I wanted the $50
windshield but had to take the whole car for that price
1965 Monza coupe 110 PG owned the 2 months it took to part out the cost of
gas to tow a friend's Corvair from Detroit to Toronto
Spare parts from
1965 Corsa coupe as parted out by the Mayor of Oshawa and yours truly:
rockers, 2 front quarter clips, 2 rear quarter clips, no roof(collapsed) no
trunk(all rust) no floors (sold), no doors (sold) no trunk or deck lids
(scrap)
Stan East
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I recall the caption under of photo in an aerodynamics book I had at work.
"corvair in the Convair wind tunnel." So somewhere out there is ( or
used
to be ) actual wind tunnel data.
These days we could more probably learn about as much with the right
instrumentation and careful road testing.
"GM did do wind tunnel testing on the 60 and I have some of it, too little.
There are several wind tunnels that can be used for automobiles and even
some
that are exclusively used for cars. I friend of mine from college worked in
the GM tunnel.
I have done "coast down" tests to estimate the drag of the Corvair using a
G-Tech. Haven't figured out how to measure lift on the road, yet...
Ned"
Picture I saw was of a late model. Lift measurements? Hmmm. First wild
idea would be to dynamically measure ride height or suspension travel front
and rear. You could measure weight vs. height change at rest, then measure
the average height on suspension position with sort variety on measurement
system. Might be electromechanical, position servos, optical rangefinder
etc.
Steve
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Subject: Re: <VV> How many? Who's keeping tract??
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 23:15:24 EST
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In a message dated 1/8/2007 7:40:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,
kwoodke at comcast.net writes:
> but is anyone keeping track?
============================================
Man!! you've got a short memory....or you're NOT reading ALL the posts! A
few minutes ago.....
The other JR wrote:
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Subject: How Many
I'm going to do the totals sometime in the middle of the night on Wednesday.
If you have not responded by (say midnight Central Time), you won't be
included.
Later, JR
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3-4 hours in the scope of Eternity...is just a few minutes!!! ggg
Matt Nall...west coast
http://members.aol.com/patiomatt
lots of info!
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Subject: RE: <VV> How many? now paint
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 23:16:03 -0500
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Might I suggest high temp satin black. It has a nice sheen but not a
reflective shine and can take the heat of baking in the summer sun.
Regards,
Zane Brock
zanebrock at bellsouth.net
678-494-5281office
678-231-6373 cell
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Subject: <VV> How many? now paint
Howdee. First just before issue 49 arrived I was thinking we are all telling
how many corvairs we have and I am enjoying it immensly, but is anyone
keeping track? The discussion started because someone suggested we total up
the member's vairs. BTW I am another one with only one (65 cpe.pg,110hp).
But I do have a Meyers Manx, 63 VW chassis but Vair 110 eng. It is currently
in pieces being painted. It might just be done by spring.
Speaking of paint. I am holding off on my 65 right now as I need to install
windshield. But first I need to repaint the dash. So much easier without
windshield. My question is does anyone have a good suggestion for the paint.
Right now spray cans are fine. Something in Dupli-Color? It is a black
interior. I probably don't want a gloss, or other end of scale flat black. I
am not looking for perfection as I probably will apply a pad in future.
Thanks again, Keith Woodke.
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From: "Dennis & Debbie PLEAU" <ddpleau at msn.com>
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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 21:29:22 -0700
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61 Corvan - parts storage
61 Lakewood - partially stripped, could use a rebuilt motor but driveable
63 Monza Coupe - rebuilt motor, needs tires, not licensed or insured
63 Greenbrier, excellent body, 65 or 66 110 car motor - my current show car,
driver
64 Greenbrier, no rust, drive train out and 110 upgraded to 140. Going to
swap drive trains with the 63 and sell.
64 Spyder convert 80 hp - retirement project
65 Monza 140 - need the engine resealed (only 1 major oil leak I can't find)
- currently licensed or insured.
66 Monza sedan - a good driver, a little rust
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how about...: 1962 load side
1965 coupe (2)
1966 coupe (3)
1966 corsa convert (2) 1 a supposed fitch
1966 sedan
1966 Ultra van
1965 vert
some running ,,none on the road..yet
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1965 monza convt
1965 monza 4 door
1963 Rampside
all excellent and driven, weather permitting
1964 Spyder (Sagan) convert
1961 coupe
1966 corsa convt
all rusty, rough, parts vehicles, but driveable before parking them.
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Ned,
You should know by now that the fellow is most likely looking for one for an
aircraft... that's what they're told to ask for... a 65 or later 110
non-smogger.... I've sold a few engine blocks over the years to some of those
guys... they have to tear them down completely anyway, so I got rid of several
blocks I had but didn't need... and a few 110 heads.... from what I heard they
run into people who either won't sell them a running engine (which if *I* was
gonna fly in the sky with one I'd make sure EVERYTHING was up to snuff) or
people don't want to sell *anything* to them.....
I'm all for having new "enthusiasts" in the hobby... I see it as being no
different than having a Devin or Avenger, or for that matter a Wayne 100 boat in
the club.... but there will always be those who will disagree.
Just my two cents....
Later,
Lonzo
Lon Anderson in White Mills, KY
CORSA, Corvanatics, Derby City Corvair, Central Ky Corvair, Quart Low
Quarterly Editor
1961 Greenbrier 110/pg
1963 Greenbrier 110/4spd
1964 700 sedan 95/pg
1969 Monza 110/pg
From: Tony Underwood <tonyu at roava.net>
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Subject: Re: <VV> How Many
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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 23:44:54 -0800
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At 07:57 PM 1/8/2007, Frank DuVal wrote:
>Trying to catch up to me hunh?
>
>Of course most of mine bought the farm.
>
>I mean they are on Paul's farm.
Actually, sometimes I tend to think that the fleet could be just a
*little bit* smaller...
Frankly, the only reason there are so many here is because there's a
place to put them all.
Where's Mel Herwald...? Hey Mel, how many 'Vairs do *you* have at
your place?
tony..
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Good points Joel.
I would just add the ratio of buyers to cars.
On one segment from Scottsdale it was mentioned that there
were 1100 cars and 5000 buyers at the auction. Pure genius indeed.
Bill Chellis
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From: Western Canada CORSA <westerncanadacorsa at shaw.ca>
Subject: RE: <VV> Future Corvair values according to BJ
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I believe he was saying that he has actually sold LM turbo 'verts for
upwards of $50K.
I wish people would realize that B-J prices are not a real reflection of the
everyday market for almost any car's value. I'm not saying that the B-J
prices are wrong, quite the contrary. I think they are a reflection of the
B-J market. Those guys go to extraordinary lengths to facilitate the
bringing together an exceptional selection of cars and buyers. Folks are
paying a premium for that.
If I had the dough (which I don't) and if I had the desire (which I don't)
to purchase, say, a '63 split window Fuelie Vette in red with a white
interior, (this is a hypothetical car) I could spend hours of my time and
wait years to find that car. Time is money, and especially if you have the
wherewithall to purchase a car like that. It's just easier to have B-J
bring you three examples to choose from, and you pay what you gotta pay to
get it. But you'd be a fool to think you could turn around and go back to
easternarmpit/state and put it in the local autotrader and get what you paid
for it at B-J.
This show is pure genius. Craig Jackson gets to get paid to take a tour of
the US, building contacts and his roster of potential cars to bring to his
auction block. Pure genius.
Regards,
Joel
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