<VV> E85 fuel

[Ron]

All of that info is politically ignored and it's impolite to bring it up.
RonH

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "airvair" <airvair at richnet.net>
To: "Dennis & Debbie PLEAU" <ddpleau at msn.com>
Cc: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>; "Ken Campbell" <deltainc at grm.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:20 AM
Subject: Re: <VV> E85 fuel


>I just finished a book entitled "What Energy Sources Should Be Pursued?"
> published by Greenhaven Press (www.gale.com/greenhaven or
> www.thomson.com). It's an anthology of several articles by
> well-credentialed people in several fields such as wind and solar power
> and alternate fuels.
>
> The BIG problem as one of them points out is NET ENERGY. To use his
> illustration, if you only had a gallon of gas in your car, and it took a
> gallon of gas to get to the gas station and back, but they only had a
> gallon to sell you, then it wouldn't be worth going after. Hence, that
> is what net energy is about. Once we reach the point where it takes more
> energy to get the fossil fuels (such as oil, in crude, shale oil, etc.)
> than we get out of going after it, then the ballgame's over. Sure, we
> have potentially enough fossil fuels to last hundreds of years, but what
> nobody wants to talk about is the very REAL fact that we have reached
> the point of negative net energy.
>
> Then there's the problems with electric, hydrogen, wind, solar, water,
> and even biofuel power. All have dubvious net energy issues, not to
> mention environmental problems that are often overlooked. All of these
> are further impacted by increasing population. Once there is no energy
> to produce enough food, the world's population will peak by virtue of
> starvation. And electric is incapable of powering large farm machinery
> or for that matter, passenger jets. Game over!
>
> I found the book very worthwile reading. It certainly makes one think.
>
> -Mark
>
> Dennis & Debbie PLEAU wrote:
>>
>> It's my understanding and I'm no expert that it takes 1 BTU of energy to 
>> make 1 BTU of ethanol, by the time you grow the corn, haul it to the 
>> still and then get it to the tank farm.  You can ship petro all the way 
>> around the world and have a net gain in energy.
>>
>> dp
>>
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: Ken Campbell<mailto:deltainc at grm.net>
>>   Subject: Re: <VV> E85 fuel
>>
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: <Sethracer at aol.com<mailto:Sethracer at aol.com>>
>>
>>   >
>>   > In a message dated 2/22/2006 11:26:38 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>>   > deltainc at grm.net<mailto:deltainc at grm.net> writes:
>>   >
>>   > The E85  people say the pump E85 is rated at 110 octane ....
>>   > The EPA says 100 Octane.
>>   > _http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/e85toolkit/e85_fuel.html_
>> 
>> (http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/e85toolkit/e85_fuel.html<http://www.eereenergy.gov/afdc/e85toolkit/e85_fuel.html>)
>>   >
>>   > - Seth
>>   ********
>>   Methinks the E85 is slightly over-hyped .... a lot of good people out 
>> here
>>   are putting in their life savings in starting up a number of local
>>   independent E85 stills ....   not to mention a bunch of FEDERAL ( my 
>> taxes )
>>   subsidies are being freely dispensed.....
>>
>>   I think the idea is noble, and maybe even the goal ... but gee, couldnt 
>> "
>>   they " tell us the awful truth just this once ....  like, it takes 
>> twice as
>>   many gallons to go anywhere ....   and so far, if everyone started 
>> using it,
>>   the price would go up... and besides, there is only enough to make 2 %
>>   ethanol fuel if we all used it ....
>>
>>   Oh well, at least it should run cool ( if mixture is set right ) and 
>> gives
>>   the Iranians the bird ...
>>
>>   regards, ken campbell, deltawerkes
>>
>
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