<VV> problems with the belts on 140
Larry Forman
Larry@Forman.net
Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:03:08 -0700
Hello Gino,
Your English is much better than ANY second language I know! You have done
most of the logical things to solve this issue. Here are some other ideas
that you either did not mention or may not have done yet:
1. Run ONLY a very narrow belt. My preference is an industrial belt from
Gates, a 3VX560, which is a 3/8-inch wide belt and 56 inches long.
2. Make sure there is NO rust on any pulleys. A wood stick used VERY
carefully can remove the rust quickly at idle. This is potentially very
dangerous, so use extreme care, safety glasses, etc. OR just clean the
pulleys with a safer method.
3. Make VERY sure the pulley alignment is nearly at right angles to the top
fan pulley and the alternator and idler pulley as well as from those two
pulleys to the harmonic balancer. It is critical that the belt alignment
is right vertical from the harmonic balancer.
4. Make sure the Harmonic Balancer is NEW and the two indicator "chisel"
marks are in alignment.
5. Install all belt guides, since you did not mention them specifically.
6. If all else fails, order deeper groove billet pulleys that will make it
impossible to throw a belt, since the grooves are so deep. You can get
these for at least the fan and alternator pulleys.
7. Double check the bearings are OK by removing the belt and checking for
noise, rough operation, etc.
8. Make very sure you are using an alternator accessory mount versus a
generator mount. I suspect Larry Claypool would never knowingly sell you
an engine with that, but double check.
Hope that helps and let us know what you finally do find that solves your
problem.
Good luck,
Larry Forman
At 06:19 PM 10/6/2004 -0500, gcallegari@insepet.com wrote:
>Dear Sirs
>
>This Is Gino Callegari again from Colombia South America, recently i
>bought a 140 Engine used to Larry Claypool(thank you Larry) The
>engine is working perfect except for one thing the belt goes out, I
>tryed the following things:
>
>1. Always installed a new belt from, Dayco, Gates, Clarks, every
>brand you could imagine.
>
>2. I change the fan bearing and auxiliar bearing.
>
>3, I change Harmonic Balancer.
>
>4. The belt has been installled loose in order alternator fan can be
>move with a finger, or really tighten.
>
>5. All the parts are in position according to the Shop manual.
>
>6. Magensium Fan
>
>7. I change both pulleys
>
>8. I change the Alternator..
>
>9. I'm absolutely LOST
>
>This never happened to me in other corvair engines..
>
>This engine Drives me crazy..or better the belt..
>
>I'm sorry for my english..If anybody can help me..Will be great for
>me.
>
>Gino Callegari M
>Bogota, Colombia
>gcallegari@insepet.com
>
>65 convertible(140),4 Speed;66 4 door(110) 4 Speed;Coupe 66(110) 4
>Speed
>
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>To: virtualvairs@corvair.org
>Subject: RE: VirtualVairs digest, Vol 1 #1161 - 13 msgs
>Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:14:04 -0400
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> >Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Re: Brake question (gary l funkhouser)
> > 2. RE: fuzzies (Keith Hammett)
> > 3. Decoding color (NicolCS@aol.com)
> > 4. Re: r/r fuzzies (ronchoy@comcast.net)
> > 5. RE: Motor specs (Sadek Charles H DLVA)
> > 6. Size of taking apart things (Sadek Charles H DLVA)
> > 7. EM conv. heater grill color (Wrsssatty@aol.com)
> > 8. Re: Size of taking apart things (Harry Yarnell)
> > 9. RE: Drive your Corviar Day (Beth)
> > 10. WHEEL SIZES (Thomas L. Gwyther)
> > 11. shhhh, we're hunting wampsides.... (Joel Rushworth)
> > 12. Re: WHEEL SIZES (Sethracer@aol.com)
> > 13. Re: shhhh, we're hunting wampsides.... (J R Read_HML)
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 1
> >To: virtualvairs@corvair.org
> >Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:35:16 -0400
> >Subject: Re: <VV> Brake question
> >From: gary l funkhouser <vms.inc2@juno.com>
> >
> >The rear reservoir supplies the front brakes. You probably have a pin
> >hole leak in the line ( unfortunately ) above the gas tank causing a
> >slow
> >seepage. The non returning brake pedal is indicative of a sludge
> >filled
> >master cylinder bore and, or weak internal return spring. Most all
> >cars
> >we have done lately that have sat for a period of time, we recommend
> >that
> >a complete brake system overhaul is in the best interest of the car
> >and
> >driver. Even with a dual system, a partial failure will not stop
> >quick
> >enough in a panic stop where most abrupt failures occur. Fill the
> >reservoir and blead the front brakes being careful not to snap off
> >the
> >bleader screws. If the system will bleed out, do a few hard pedal
> >applies
> >and that will show up your leak area or blow out another potential
> >weak
> >line.
> >
> >Gary
> >Vintage Motorsports Services
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 2
> >Reply-To: <khammett@stainlessfab.com>
> >From: "Keith Hammett" <khammett@stainlessfab.com>
> >To: <virtualvairs@corvair.org>
> >Subject: RE: <VV> fuzzies
> >Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 07:44:44 -0500
> >
> >Just wait till you start putting it back together! Then it is well
> >all
> >these new parts look good now I need to replace this and that and
> >..........
> >:-)
> >
> >Keith Hammett
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >
> >The expense of one of these projects really grows, once you start
> >taking
> >stuff apart, doesn't it? The "while I'm in here" deal is about to
> >drain
> >my budget in a hurry.
> >
> >Marc Sheridan
> >
> >-- __--__--
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 3
> >From: NicolCS@aol.com
> >Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:27:37 EDT
> >To: virtualvairs@corvair.org, yacosta00@hotmail.com
> >Subject: <VV> Decoding color
> >
> >According to my GM parts book, Code A = Black ("Tuxedo Black"), the
> >number
> >represents the color of the top. I beleive "1" indicates a white top
> >and 2
> >indicates a black top, but the top color information should be
> >confirmed; I'm not
> >positive about the top color information.
> >Craig Nicol
> >65 Corsa convertible, P-2
> >
> >Hello VVer's. I manage to decode most of my vehicle tag, except for
> >the
> >color code. Could someone help? My code is A-1 on my 1965 Corsa.
> >I'm
> >trying to return it to its original spendor but have been stumped on
> >this
> >code. Thanks.
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 4
> >From: ronchoy@comcast.net
> >To: virtualvairs@corvair.org
> >Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:29:28 +0000
> >Subject: <VV> Re: r/r fuzzies
> >
> >It's fairly easy to r/r the fuzzies. I use a stiff putty knife. Get
> >close to each clip as possible and pull the handle toward yourself.
> >The idea is to bend the clip's tang far enough away, so fuzzie can be
> >tilted inboard and lifted out. To replace, use pliers to bend the
> >tang back in, nearly level with its slot. If you're careful, you
> >don't even need to mask the door to prevent scratches.
> > Tools preferred: stiff 1" putty knife and Clark's upholstery
> >tuckertool (it's thicker and good for bending the tang way out.
> >-ron 65,66
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 5
> >From: Sadek Charles H DLVA <SadekCH@NSWC.NAVY.MIL>
> >To: virtualvairs@corvair.org
> >Subject: RE: <VV> Motor specs
> >Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:56:14 -0400
> >
> >Do go to Matt's web site. Depends on how much hp you want and how
> >much you
> >want to spend. VW rods with appropriate pistons can be used with
> >various
> >cylinder sizes. Once you leave Corvair cylinders, you incur
> >machining
> >charges in excess of using Corvair "stuff". Biggest improvement for
> >least
> >bucks is to open up exhaust ports/stacks.
> >
> >Good Luck
> >
> >Chuck S
> >BoHunkBrosRacing Tm
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: UltraMonzaWest@aol.com [mailto:UltraMonzaWest@aol.com]
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 12:47 AM
> >To: virtualvairs@corvair.org
> >Subject: Re: <VV> Motor specs
> >
> >In a message dated 10/5/2004 5:34:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> >TAMR3813@att.net writes:
> >
> >> Dose any one have the bore size and recommend connecting rods for a
> >67
> >> motor. Also can VW pistons and rods fit into the stock motor or
> >dose it
> >have to
> >> be bored out. Just looking for some info on ways to build more
> >power out
> >of
> >> a Corvair motor because were drooping it to fully rebuild it and
> >wondering
> >
> >> how to make more power out if them.
> >>
> >> Drew
> >> Irongrave Customs
> >***************************************************************
> >
> >Go to my website......Tech papers........you'll see a chart with eve
> >possible
> >combo around... http://members.aol.com/patiomatt/
> >
> >It's common to use VW 94mm barrels ...but the work is extensive for
> >clearances as well as boring the cases / heads to accept the larger
> >barrels...
> >Several of our shops do it for a price! $1200 plus......your good
> >heads
> >and
> >cases...you assemble..
> >
> >Vair rods are adequate for all but the highest HP engines....300 hp
> >plus...
> >
> >
> >Matt
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 6
> >From: Sadek Charles H DLVA <SadekCH@NSWC.NAVY.MIL>
> >To: virtualvairs@corvair.org
> >Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:20:27 -0400
> >Subject: <VV> Size of taking apart things
> >
> >Not only expense but the "pile" grows. Take a car apart and see how
> >big it
> >is disassembled...
> >
> >Chuck S
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Keith Hammett [mailto:khammett@stainlessfab.com]
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:45 AM
> >To: virtualvairs@corvair.org
> >Subject: RE: <VV> fuzzies
> >
> >Just wait till you start putting it back together! Then it is well
> >all
> >these new parts look good now I need to replace this and that and
> >..........
> >:-)
> >
> >Keith Hammett
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >
> >The expense of one of these projects really grows, once you start
> >taking
> >stuff apart, doesn't it? The "while I'm in here" deal is about to
> >drain
> >my budget in a hurry.
> >
> >Marc Sheridan
> >_________________________
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 7
> >From: Wrsssatty@aol.com
> >Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:36:11 EDT
> >To: virtualvairs@skiblack.com
> >Subject: <VV> EM conv. heater grill color
> >
> >They're black on my '63 with red interior. I have no reason to
> >believe
> >they've been changed. I'm away from the car right now but I think
> >the fresh air
> >vent outlets in the kick panels are black, also. Wait a minute--I
> >just cycled
> >through a preview of my screen saver and there's a pic showing my
> >fresh air
> >vents. They are, indeed, black.
> >
> >Hope this helps.
> >
> >Bill Stanley
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 8
> >Reply-To: "Harry Yarnell" <hyarnell1@earthlink.net>
> >From: "Harry Yarnell" <hyarnell1@earthlink.net>
> >To: "Sadek Charles H DLVA" <SadekCH@NSWC.NAVY.MIL>,
> ><virtualvairs@corvair.org>
> >Subject: Re: <VV> Size of taking apart things
> >Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:17:24 -0400
> >
> >Chuck brings up a sore subject with me. A parts car is the best way
> >to
> >'store' parts. It's whole, parts aren't tucked away in the bottom of
> >boxes;
> >they're neatly stored right where General Motors put them. And you
> >KNOW
> >where to get the part you need.
> >
> >However there are the nasties at the zoning office that cite you for
> >running
> >a junk yard. Neighbors who find your lovely parts stash as an
> >EYESORE, and
> >turn you in. Countless parts cars have been hastily dismembered to
> >comply
> >with this chicanery. HURUMPH!!!
> >
> >Harry Yarnell
> >perryman garage and orphanage
> >perryman, MD
> >hyarnell1@earthlink.net
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Sadek Charles H DLVA" <SadekCH@NSWC.NAVY.MIL>
> >To: <virtualvairs@corvair.org>
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:20 AM
> >Subject: <VV> Size of taking apart things
> >
> >
> >> Not only expense but the "pile" grows. Take a car apart and see
> >how big
> >it
> >> is disassembled...
> >>
> >> Chuck S
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Keith Hammett [mailto:khammett@stainlessfab.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:45 AM
> >> To: virtualvairs@corvair.org
> >> Subject: RE: <VV> fuzzies
> >>
> >> Just wait till you start putting it back together! Then it is well
> >all
> >> these new parts look good now I need to replace this and that and
> >..........
> >> :-)
> >>
> >> Keith Hammett
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>
> >> The expense of one of these projects really grows, once you start
> >taking
> >> stuff apart, doesn't it? The "while I'm in here" deal is about to
> >drain
> >> my budget in a hurry.
> >>
> >> Marc Sheridan
> >> _________________________
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> >
> >Message: 9
> >From: "Beth" <gearhead@iland.net>
> >To: <VirtualVairs@corvair.org>
> >Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:14:55 -0500
> >Subject: <VV> RE: Drive your Corviar Day
> >
> >I missed Drive Your Corvair day, but boy am I glad that I had a
> >Corviar in
> >my driveway this morning! My everyday 50,000 mile 96 Impala SS
> >decided that
> >it would not shift out of first gear, then my temperamental 4WD Jeep
> >picked
> >today to pull it's famous "I'm not going to start today" routine.
> >But
> >thankfully I had my trusty 64 Vair Vert to rely on!! She wasn't real
> >happy
> >about starting in the cold morning air, but she didn't let me down.
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 10
> >From: "Thomas L. Gwyther" <gwyth@sisna.com>
> >To: <VirtualVairs@corvair.org>
> >Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:06:01 -0600
> >Subject: <VV> WHEEL SIZES
> >
> >What is the bolt hole spacing for early corvair wheels?
> >
> >What wheels have others used?
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 11
> >Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 11:40:52 -0700
> >From: Joel Rushworth <gwydionjhr@shaw.ca>
> >To: "Virtual Vairs (E-mail)" <virtualvairs@corvair.org>
> >Reply-to: gwydionjhr@shaw.ca
> >Subject: <VV> shhhh, we're hunting wampsides....
> >
> >Hey All,
> >
> >We're on the hunt for a Rampside. We're willing to consider just
> >about anything we can locate in the Northwest. Please send pictures,
> >contacts,
> >rumours, etc off list to: joel@cybrus.net as I am not currently
> >monitioring
> ><VV>.
> >
> >And I mean we'll consider anything. Even is it's a "heard it from
> >a friend of a friend" or "I know this guy not involved in the
> >chapter that has one". Please pass it along as we want to explore
> >all the options we can.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Joel
> >
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> >
> >Message: 12
> >From: Sethracer@aol.com
> >Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:11:52 EDT
> >Subject: Re: <VV> WHEEL SIZES
> >To: gwyth@sisna.com, VirtualVairs@corvair.org
> >
> >four-bolt on 4.5" bolt circle.
> >
> >Check the tech guides, the Corvair Basics book and Bryan's web site.
> >People
> >use Datsun wheels, like 240Z, etc. - Seth Emerson
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 13
> >From: "J R Read_HML" <hmlinc@sbcglobal.net>
> >To: <gwydionjhr@shaw.ca>,
> > "Virtual Vairs \(E-mail\)"
> > <virtualvairs@corvair.org>
> >Subject: Re: <VV> shhhh, we're hunting wampsides....
> >Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:12:14 -0500
> >
> >There were 2 in Oregon just two days ago on VV.
> >
> >Sleepy?
> >
> >Attachments are scanned with anti-virus software.
> >
> >Later, JR
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Joel Rushworth" <gwydionjhr@shaw.ca>
> >To: "Virtual Vairs (E-mail)" <virtualvairs@corvair.org>
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 1:40 PM
> >Subject: <VV> shhhh, we're hunting wampsides....
> >
> >
> >> Hey All,
> >>
> >> We're on the hunt for a Rampside. We're willing to consider just
> >> about anything we can locate in the Northwest. Please send
> >pictures,
> >> contacts,
> >> rumours, etc off list to: joel@cybrus.net as I am not currently
> >> monitioring
> >> <VV>.
> >>
> >> And I mean we'll consider anything. Even is it's a "heard it from
> >> a friend of a friend" or "I know this guy not involved in the
> >> chapter that has one". Please pass it along as we want to explore
> >> all the options we can.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Joel
> >>
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