<VV> Loose axle

Thu Mar 5 00:51:04 EST 2020

Alignment? What alignment? Are you saying thew rear wheel alignment 
will change if there is no engine or drivetrain in the car? Because the 
weight of the car will push upwards on the outer end of the axle shaft 
and downwards on the inboard end? Is that your point? I see what you 
mean, but there's a double taper roller bearing at the outer end, isn't 
there, that I would have expected to hold the whole lot in alignment. 
Why doesn't it? Or is it a self-aligning bearing? That might explain why 
the tapers look the wrong way round? But then again, if it's 
self-aligning, it shouldn't be exerting any force in ANY direction. This 
all seemed so simple till I started thinking about it!
But when I grabbed it earlier, I was pushing more forwards and 
backwards rather than up & down, as I was reaching under the car to do 
it. I'll try it again tomorrow with more force & see if I can get 
anything to move.

On 2020-03-05 00:25, Jim Becker wrote:
> For the third and final time, NO.
>
> There will be a load on the axle shaft.  How much and in what
> direction depends on whether the car has been moved, and in what
> direction since the car was let off the jack.
>
> If you still don’t get it, wait until you remove the junk engine to
> put the other one in.  Let the drivetrainless car back down on the
> wheels and push it back and forth for a while.  See if the alignment
> changes when the yoke isn't held by a differential.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Hugo Miller
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 9:44 PM
> To: Jim Becker
> Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> Subject: Re:  Loose axle
>
> I don't follow you. I am talking about the yoke that comes out of the
> diff. All that has happened is that the yoke has pushed a bit further 
> in
> as the suspension went up. There is no load on the axle shaft in any
> direction. Yes/no?
>
> On 2020-03-04 22:20, Jim Becker wrote:
>> Why not?  Because the weight of the car is sitting on it.
>>
>> No, you didn't just do it.  When you tried to do it, and found "The
>> play is ALL GONE!!".  It could SEEM TO BE all gone because the car 
>> is
>> sitting on it. This is just like saying your motor mounts must be 
>> good
>> because you tried to wiggle the engine by hand and it didn't move, 
>> or
>> maybe your house foundation is good because you stepped on a 
>> threshold
>> and the house didn't sink.
>>
>> You may not have a problem, but you have no evidence either way.
>>
>> Jim Becker
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Hugo Miller
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 8:16 PM
>> To: Jim Becker
>> Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>> Subject: Re:  Loose axle
>>
>> Wny not? I just did it! Unless I had hold of the wrong shaft, as the
>> actress said to the Bishop ;)
>>
>> On 2020-03-04 20:49, Jim Becker wrote:
>>> Are you sure?  With the weight of the car on it, you won't be able 
>>> to
>>> just reach up and wiggle it by hand.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Hugo Miller via VirtualVairs
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 6:08 PM
>>> To: wfcc at mediacombb.net
>>> Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>>> Subject: Re:  Loose axle
>>>
>>> I should have got underneath before I replied to your post. Guess 
>>> what?
>>> The play is ALL GONE!! Can you believe it! Who'd a thunk it? So 
>>> after
>>> all that debate, the whole thing was just a massive red herring.
>>> Thank you so much for spotting the booby trap for the unwary, and
>>> possibly saving me a whole lot of work in the process!! Well done 
>>> sir!
>>> Have a cigar on me ;)
>>>
>>> On 2020-03-04 17:56, wfcc at mediacombb.net wrote:
>>>> Hugo,
>>>>
>>>>  I don't think I've  seen it asked here, but this play you are
>>>> talking about, Is it when the car is jacked up and the wheels are
>>>> hanging free ? If so that is normal. especially on the side with 
>>>> the
>>>> short stub axle. They fixed that problem on the much improved late
>>>> models...…… but Smitty wouldn't know about that…<GGG>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Ed Lindsay
>>>>
>>>>  West Florida Corvairs
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Hugo Miller via VirtualVairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>>>> Sent: Wed, 04 Mar 2020 17:45:47 -0500 (EST)
>>>> Subject: Re: <VV> Loose axle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2020-03-04 16:02, Smitty wrote:
>>>> [edited]
>>>>> I would like you to be more restrained when commenting.  I didn’t 
>>>>> see
>>>>> Bills comments as being patronizing.  Just a knowlegible longtime
>>>>> Early owner trying to keep a newbie from making what could be an
>>>>> expensive and time consuming mistake.  It doesn’t pay to assume 
>>>>> when
>>>>> dealing with persons ranging from automotive engineers to a teen 
>>>>> age
>>>>> kid that doesn’t know a left handed monkey wrench from a 
>>>>> screwdriver.
>>>>>        Smitty
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is the comment I described as patronising;
>>>>
>>>> "Hugo - please stop tinkering with your car.  Take some time to 
>>>> get the
>>>> appropriate manuals and read and familiarize yourself with the 
>>>> parts of
>>>> your car before you go any further.  Or, if not that, meet up with 
>>>> a
>>>> local Corvair club to look over it with you.
>>>> Bill"
>>>>
>>>> And it is. Damned patronising. Telling me to stop 'tinkering' with 
>>>> my
>>>> own car. Who has the right to tell me that? I've been 'tinkering' 
>>>> with
>>>> cars and commercial vehicles in a professional capacity for the 
>>>> last
>>>> fifty-odd years.
>>>> I was seeking advice on whether anybody had similar experience of 
>>>> play
>>>> in the axle shaft, as I couldn't see exactly where it originated. 
>>>> I will
>>>> happily listen to advice from any quarter. But please don't talk 
>>>> down to
>>>> me. That is guaranteed to piss me off.
>>>> Going back to my original question, there seems to be a consensus 
>>>> that
>>>> the play is where the yoke runs in the diff gear / housing. There 
>>>> is
>>>> just a remote possibility that a new yoke will cure or alleviate 
>>>> it, but
>>>> Sod's law says that's unlikely. I've got to drop the whole lot out 
>>>> some
>>>> time soon anyway, so it will have to do until that happens.
>>>>
>>>>
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