<VV> Uhaul car hauler

Tue Oct 17 15:50:35 EDT 2017

Great description Ed! Anyone who tows should be very familiar with this.
One additional comment I would make is: just because it has a trailer hitch
doesn’t mean you can hook your car hauler to it and go. Scares the hell out
of me when I see people towing a 24’ car hauler with a Jeep CJ (or whatever
they are calling them these days) and the nose is in the air.

George Jones

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 3:40 PM Ed Gilroy via VirtualVairs <
virtualvairs at corvair.org> wrote:

> Here is my experience from long hauling many different race cars over the
> years on several different personal trailers.
>
> The proper tongue weight for a normal automotive tow vehicle setup is
> 10-15% of the GTW (Gross Trailer Weight or laden weight). You get there by
> adding the tare weight (unladen trailer) PLUS the net weight (the load).
> Check all the states you are hauling through, you may need to go through
> the weigh stations on the highway and you need to know the tare, net, and
> total weights or these guys will just bust your balls. If you are out of
> envelope or over total gross for the tow vehicle? Ticket plus you get to
> park until you get it right. Ever notice how weight stations are in the
> middle of nowhere? Try to get help, not gonna happen.
>
> So if the trailer is 1500 and the load is 3500, then the GTW is 4500 then
> times .10 = 450 lbs on the tongue as a minimum and 4500 times .15 = 675 lbs
> as a maximum. That's a fairly small envelope to just guess at.
>
> Go under the minimum and the load can start to whip the trailer (sway) and
> you can lose rear wheel traction and jackknife. If you hear your rear
> wheels squealing as the trailer sways, pull over IMMEDIATELY. If you go
> negative on the tongue weight, give me a call so I can stay off the road
> until you are declared dead and it is safe to drive again.
>
> Go over the maximum and you can lose front wheel traction because the
> pushing down on the tongue unloads your front tires and you can skid from
> the lack of braking effectiveness (front brakes do 70% of the stopping
> generally) or lose control from lack of front wheel traction in a turn.
> Hitting the brakes abruptly with a high tongue weight, just makes it MUCH
> harder to stop.
>
> With experience on your own trailer, these calculations can be done by
> estimation. If you are renting or borrowing someone else's trailer, use a
> scale. If it is raining, DO NOT TOW unless you have done these
> calculations. It is VERY easy to lose control in reduced traction
> situations outside the 10-15% envelope.
>
> I use bags of rocks from Home Depot to get the weight distribution right
> when I am hauling someone else's race car and I can't move the car around
> to get the weight right.
>
> After all of that is done, check if you are over the GVWR for the tow
> vehicle. If you are, reduce the load or get a different vehicle.
>
> I am not trying to discourage you, just understand that heavy towing is
> outside most people's normal experience and equipment, expect a learning
> curve. If you have questions, head over to the local road/drag/circle track
> or strip, most guys will be glad to help out and answer questions about any
> of this.
>
> Good luck, Ed
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Jay Maechtlen via VirtualVairs <
> virtualvairs at corvair.org> wrote:
>
> > On 10/17/2017 6:49 AM, rich dixon via VirtualVairs wrote:
> >
> >> Gents: so what I've learned here is the Corvair needs to be loaded on
> the
> >> u haul trailer with the car being back onto the trailer. I assume this
> is
> >> for weight distribution. What happens if one loads the car on with
> engine
> >> in rear? I assume the trailer will sway a lot? Thanks, I would not have
> >> thought of this.
> >> R. dixon
> >>
> > Depends on length of trailer and the towing vehicle.
> >
> > You want the load positioned so that the weight is centered a bit in
> front
> > of the trailer axles. You want some weight on the tongue and tow ball.
> > As far as swaying - that depends on some number of things - trailer
> > suspension and tow vehicle.
> > Regardless of how you put the car on the trailer, you want it so it tips
> > the trailer toward the tongue, rather than lifting up on the tongue.
> > How much? Depends on the tow vehicle, I think. You want it to settle down
> > a but, but not too far?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >>
> >> On Monday, October 16, 2017, 7:31 PM, Art Linden via VirtualVairs <
> >> virtualvairs at corvair.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I had the same experience a few years ago when I wanted to trailer my 66
> >> convert from Connecticut to Maine so my grandson could use it for his
> >> senior prom.  Local UHaul refused to rent a trailer for towing a
> Corvair.
> >> I ended up driving it up with my wife following in the daily driver.
> >> Worked out fine.  The Corvair probably benefitted from the longer than
> >> normal drive.  But I never did get any reasonable answer as to why they
> >> wouldn't rent me the trailer.  Must be some story there, maybe with a
> >> lawsuit from someone who didn't use the equipment properly???
> >>
> >>
> >> Art Linden
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ed Bittman via VirtualVairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> >> To: Frank <64monzaconv at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: Frank via VirtualVairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> >> Sent: Mon, Oct 16, 2017 12:55 pm
> >> Subject: Re: <VV> Uhaul car hauler
> >>
> >> Frank and everyone,yes U-Haul trailers are great for Corvairs but around
> >> my area here in Florida if you mention Corvair they WILL NOT rent you a
> >> trailer period. There are 5 U-Haul dealers near me and everyone said the
> >> same thing. I did use one to haul my '60 sedan to the convention in
> >> Knoxville,I told them I was hauling a '62 Chevy II,they never blinked an
> >> eye. I put the car on frontwards and it towed perfectly. Ed in Florida
> >> ---- Frank via VirtualVairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just curious, when Corvairs are hauled with a Uhaul trailer, are the
> >>> Corvairs hauled facing forward or facing the rear ?  Any concerns about
> >>> weight distribution.  Does the Corvair rub or drag during loading ?
> Other
> >>> suggestions?
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