<VV> VirtualVairs Digest, Vol 125, Issue 50
Jim Speas
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Wed Jun 24 20:02:01 EDT 2015
Convention is a humid one, lots of great cars & parts & super nice people.. The lambrecht car is pretty cool to see in person also..
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> 1. Death of Convention Reporting? (Matt Nall)
> 2. Re: Impending death of Corvair hobby? (wrsssatty at aol.com)
> 3. Re: Other side of Judging (Kenneth Schifftner)
> 4. CORSA judging (chartzel at comcast.net)
> 5. Re: [fastvair] Can anbody help me identify the data on this
> 66corsa coupe. (J. R. Read)
> 6. Re: [fastvair] Can anbody help me identify the data on this
> 66corsa coupe. (Tom Hughes)
> 7. Is anyone enjoying the Convention now? (Thompson, Ed (MKE x1231))
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> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 15:50:15 -0400
> From: Matt Nall <patiomatt at aol.com>
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> Subject: <VV> Death of Convention Reporting?
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> Supposedly 1100 people are there... over 400 registered.... AND NO REPORTS HERE!!
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> UltraVan group on Yahoo and CC have a little bit..... but it's eerily silent!!
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> Is the heat / humidity that bad?
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> Matt Nall
> Charleston, Oregon
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> From: wrsssatty at aol.com
> To: viewmastermik at netscape.net, virtualvairs at corvair.org
> Subject: Re: <VV> Impending death of Corvair hobby?
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> Well, I know new Corvair owners/enthusiasts as young as 17.
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> ~Bill Stanley
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> From: M Stevens <viewmastermik at netscape.net>
> To: wrsssatty <wrsssatty at aol.com>; virtualvairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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> I consider myself a younger Corvair enthusiast. (47) Got into wrenching later in life, and when my son bought our first Corvair 6 yeats ago, i have since inherited it and he and i work on it together. Have since got the Corvair fever, and have another projecy car to make go fast as well as look purdy.
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> Unfortunately, I(we) jave never joined Corsa. The closest sanctioned club has disbanded and the next closest one to us(central cal.) is too far away to be active in. If there were a few more tangible benefits to Corsa membership, maybe it would attract newer/younger membership. There are a couple of young guys, early 20's, that i meet up with pretty regularly as well as help each other out with tips and tricks and general maint. issues.
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> Date: 06/24/2015 10:52 AM (GMT-08:00)
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> Subject: Impending death of Corvair hobby?
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> <That mentality will be the death of CORSA on the end and
> lead to the death of the Corvair hobby. >
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> I, too, used to fear/anticipate the death of the Corvair hobby but after going on Facebook I realize that there are many young people passionate about Corvairs. Our Corvair hobby won't die in the foreseeable future. CORSA, on the other hand, I fear is dying. And I am a great proponent of CORSA and a consistent member since the early '80s. Young people just aren't joiners. CORSA does need some fine tuning to give it the chance to survive for as long as possible but I don't think the newer generations of folks join clubs like the old guys did. Too much free on the internet.
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> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 16:25:40 -0400
> From: Kenneth Schifftner <scrubbr at ix.netcom.com>
> To: hank kaczmarek <kaczmarek at charter.net>
> Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> Subject: Re: <VV> Other side of Judging
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> Hank:
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> Today, we judged about 48 vehicles. Officially started at 9:00 AM and finished at about 12:30. Fantastic vehicles! The judges were treated to a delicious lunch. We we able to see the vehicles up close (closer than the casual observer) and I, for one, had a great time. Reconnected with old friends.
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> If CORSA is interested in updating the Rules, the whole procedure can be improved and perhaps, hopefully, more folks will enjoy the experience of judging. Complaints show sincere concern and concern should be listened to so improvements can be made but complaining alone doesn?t solve problems. Participation does.
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> Ken Schifftner
>> On Jun 24, 2015, at 6:56 AM, hank kaczmarek <kaczmarek at charter.net> wrote:
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>> I did operation checks at Williamsburg in 94. Enjoyed it immensely. If you've never been involved in the Concours, it's an interesting way to spend the day.
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>> Hank
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>> -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Schifftner via VirtualVairs
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>> I was involved yesterday in Unit 6, Operations judging (though not involved with the Classification).
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>> Post classification, we judged over 50 vehicles. It was about 90 deg. F. in the shade of a parking garage. We had the inevitable issues crop up (late arrivals, incomplete paperwork, etc.) but whenever an issue appeared, the Concours managers (Jim Diel and Don Wagner) either individually or in common made decisions. Any Judge was empowered to bring any issue that might affect the quality of the judging to Jim and Don?s attention. The goal was to follow the Rules?but with compassion and fairness. I think we succeeded.
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>> Certainly, however, the Rules should updated. Maybe starting with the requirement that people register properly by a certain cut off date and attend the Participant?s Meeting.
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>> It is about 6:00 AM here and some judges will be at the Concours field at 7:00 AM to do unit 6 for the late comers. The Concours will finish at about 4:00 PM. These folks volunteer to judge so that the event survives and CORSA survives. Focusing on fairness would be a nice place to start.
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>> I?ve judged at about 10 conventions and encourage others to give it a try. You?ll see amazing vehicles up close and work with a group of people who volunteer their time in support the events that keep CORSA going.
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>> Ken Schifftner (NJACE and SDCC)
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> I am surprised at the number of people who don't understand the judging. A car does not win points, it gets points deducted for less than perfect. Once a car is classified, the judges don't care what the class is. They are looking for dirt, rust, crud, bad paint and any imperfections. The cars all start out at 100 points and go downhill from there. The awards are just as big for modified as factory stock so it doesn't matter what class it is in. Also the car is judged to a 100 point standard. If every car in a class scores 97 points, they all get gold awards. It is a silly system which makes it impossible to know how many awards to order. If 100 cars in concours all score 96-100 points, they all get gold awards and no silver or bronze are given out. So basically there is no 1st, 2nd, 3rd in class!
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> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 16:19:43 -0500
> From: "J. R. Read" <hmlinc at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Tom Hughes" <corvairdad at gmail.com>, "Fastvair"
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> Subject: Re: <VV> [fastvair] Can anbody help me identify the data on
> this 66corsa coupe.
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> I don't recall EVER seeing a (factory) Danube Blue interior.
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> There is metal flake in that color and I suspect it would make for some
> really adverse reflections against the back of the windshield (and other
> places?).
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> Later, JR
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> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 8:59 AM
> Subject: Re: <VV> [fastvair] Can anbody help me identify the data on this
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>> Here's what I get:
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>> 1966
>> Data 02C Third week of February 1966
>> Interior Paint E Danube Blue interior paint
>> Style 66-10737 1966-Corsa Coupe
>> Assy Plant WRN Willow Run
>> Body number 4092 4,092 '66 Corsa Coupe built at Willow Run
>> Trim 758-E Black imitation leather (vinyl) bucket
>> seats, Danube Blue extension is not normal
>> Paint E-E Danube blue bottom and top of exterior
>> Acc E2ER4F5Y Tinted Glass, A/C, Rear Speaker, Convenience
>> Equipped, Custome Deluxe Seatbelts with Front Retractors
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>> Mike, can you provide a photo of the tag?
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>> Tom in Baltimore
>> corvairfleet.blogspot.com
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>> *From:* Michael Kovacs kovacsmj at yahoo.com [fastvair]
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>>> *To:* VV <virtualvairs at corvair.org> ; Fastvair <fastvair at yahoogroups.com>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2015 7:37 PM
>>> *Subject:* [fastvair] Can anbody help me identify the data on this 66
>>> corsa coupe.
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>>> I know the st6610737 is the year and type . It is a '66 corsa coupe,
>>> and although it has been repainted I feel it was red as it is now. Built
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>>> second week of Feb. at willow run. But what does this mean.........
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>>> TR 758-E 4092 BODY
>>> E2ER4F5Y E-E PAINT
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>>> 02C E
>>> ST6610737 WRN
>>> TR 758-E 4092 BODY
>>> E2ER4F5Y E-E PAINT
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> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:30:59 -0400
> From: Tom Hughes <corvairdad at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: <VV> [fastvair] Can anbody help me identify the data on
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> I was corrected in that the -E is for black interior color (not Danube
> Blue).
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>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 5:19 PM, J. R. Read <hmlinc at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>> I don't recall EVER seeing a (factory) Danube Blue interior.
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>> There is metal flake in that color and I suspect it would make for some
>> really adverse reflections against the back of the windshield (and other
>> places?).
> Tom in Baltimore
> corvairfleet.blogspot.com
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> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 23:46:25 +0000
> From: "Thompson, Ed (MKE x1231)" <ed.thompson at quarles.com>
> To: "virtualvairs at corvair.org" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Subject: <VV> Is anyone enjoying the Convention now?
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> Wow, is anyone having any fun in Knoxville this week, enjoying the assembly of so many waterless wonders (and a few "water fed," I presume) and the camaraderie of other Vair enthusiasts, in one close area? The only posts I've seen thus far, about 2015, seem to have been complaints about Concours Classification and Judging. I am not able to be there this week, I've attended 21 CORSA Conventions going back to 1977, hope to make it to Springfield next July. Kick back, have some fun this week, life is short...
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> Ed, Milwaukee, '66 Monza sedan, 110-glide
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