<VV> It must be national concours time -

[S M]

Sorry Bill, I tend to agree with classification... It's a shame the owner didn't just order up some 6.50x13 1" whitewalls from Coker. Thinner '66 whitewalls, or even the '60 wide whites ruin the look of a '63, IMO. A rule is a rule. The car will still win a Gold award in its class, I'm sure! 
yea, Vairily ... Shaun 



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From: "Bill Hubbell via VirtualVairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org> 
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Subject: Re: <VV> It must be national concours time - 

I strongly disagree with you on this one, Lon. In every single other case where a car (including mine) was previously kicked out of stock there was always considerable time and mileage standing between the original car and the car being presented for classification. That means there was a lot of room for tinkering. None of us could really be sure whether the car being presented to us as stock really was. There had always been some level of restoration, repair, repainting, part replacing. 

None of that is true about this car. All he did was clean it, and he has publicly documented all of that in our own Comminique. 

Every part he replaced was done strictly for safety, to get the car here 

It has exactly 305.5 miles on the odometer. 

Do you need to see an original 6.50-13 whitewall tire to know it is stock? He has one in the spare tire carrier - still has the felt pads underneath it. 

The radio antenna and attaching parts are still in the paper bag as shipped from the factory. 

Lon, if this car is not considered Factory Stock Original then no such animal exists any longer and we might as well stop kidding ourselves. 

What are we saving this classification for anyway? What are we protecting? 

Bill 

On Jun 23, 2015, at 6:55 PM, Corvair Underground via VirtualVairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org> wrote: 

It must be concourse classification day at the International. 

Corsa's rules for "bone-stock" class are very strict. Maybe they should be changed - maybe not. BUT as for this case - 

The classification judge has to follow THE LETTER OF THE RULES as they exist NOW. If he had agreed to "waive a rule" because of strong protest by Bill and Mark what would be the result? EVERY PERSON at the convention who got bumped out of stock class for something - minor or otherwise - could make the similar arguments. 
And what about every person who got bumped out of stock class in previous conventions? What might they say about it? Would you blame them? 

Now perhaps Corsa stock classification rules need fixing - Then fix them. Don't wait until the day of classification and try to fix them then with pleas to the classification chairman to "bend the rules".. 

I miss all my friends at the national. Last year was so great I can't even put it into words. i had intended to be with you in Tennessee but it's just too much money for me. 

I have attended 30 (I beleive) Internationals and concours always bothers me - and it shouldn't. Concours should be a place where we proudly show our best Corvairs. Unfortunately I've seen too many angry people - people who take it WAY too seriously.. Maybe that's to be expected from a class of people who have spent large sums of money and time on their car. But when we forget the enjoyment of the hobby it's just too bad. With such high emotions it makes it even more necessary to classify to the strict letter of the law. 

Wonder why I never volunteered to judge concours? 

Lon Wall 


From: Bill Hubbell <whubbell at verizon.net> To: Virtual Vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>, CORSA/CPF BoD <corsabod at corvair.org>, Corsa Chapters <chapters at corvair.org> Subject: <VV> CORSA blunder Message-ID: <EE38D3FB-7A98-4702-837A-3E83CFE62759 at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've never been more embarrassed by this club that by what just happened today. The '63 White Monza Lambrecht car was classified into the Modified class for Concours - technically correct due to the incorrect size of his whitewall radial tires, but grossly incorrect for what is probably the last most perfect factory original car 
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