<VV> Desert Relics
Jack Pinard
corvairjack at yahoo.com
Mon Mar 11 17:09:45 EDT 2013
Matt please note:
There is no Newberry CA.
Newberry Springs CA is near Barstow, San Bernardino County, in the Mojave Desert.
Newbury Park CA is near Thousand Oaks, an upscale residential area in Ventura County, CA.
Dismantling and storage yards are common in desert - cars don't rust.
Gorgeous Corvairs and many other classics are garaged in Ventura County.
Lets be accurate and use Google Maps if uncertain of locations.
You probably wouldn't want me to confuse the quaint seaside village of Charleston OR near Coos Bay with the capital city of West Virginia in the Appalachians.
JW "CorvairJack" Pinard
Port Hueneme CA
Beach Bum and former Desert Rat
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> 1. Re: Popular-Science-May-1960 Corvair Article (Bob Gilbert)
> 2. Re: Belt issues? (tkalp at cox.net)
> 3. Re: Belt issues? (hallgrenn at aol.com)
> 4. Desert Relics... Newberry, Ca. (Matt Nall)
> 5. Try Again!! Desert Relics in Newberry, Ca. (Matt Nall)
> 6. Re: Belt issues? (Joel McGregor)
> 7. Re: Belt issues? (Matt Nall)
> 8. Re: Belt issues? (wfcc at mediacombb.net)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:05:40 -0700
>From: "Bob Gilbert" <bgilbert at gilberts-bc.ca>
>Subject: Re: <VV> Popular-Science-May-1960 Corvair Article
>To: <RoboMan91324 at aol.com>, <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>Message-ID: <016601ce1e72$46ff6210$d4fe2630$@gilberts-bc.ca>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>Hi Doc,
>
>This was a well thought out, well presented, balanced response to my query
>and after looking back on my own career I can see analogs to most of the
>items mentioned here.
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>Thanks,
>
>Bob
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>From: RoboMan91324 at aol.com [mailto:RoboMan91324 at aol.com]
>Sent: March-10-13 10:45 AM
>To: virtualvairs at corvair.org; bgilbert at gilberts-bc.ca
>Subject: Popular-Science-May-1960 Corvair Article
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>Bob,
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>First, I think the answer to your question might have been touched on in the
>article. The Corvair was (and is) a nearly unique design. Certainly, Chevy
>had no in-house experience to build on. Many of the different components
>were hand-made in the design process and reacted differently than the mass
>production versions. I suspect that production and purchasing cost issues
>may have had a hand in this. The low bid gets the order.
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>Second, also touched on in the article is the fact that GM Engineers
>probably had their hands full with more serious matters and may have
>neglected some "minor" issues. Keep in mind that there was huge pressure to
>get the Corvair introduced on time for the 1960 model year. No company
>wants to introduce a new car a year or even a few months late, though it
>does happen. It is extremely costly to the company and makes the consumer
>suspicious. High and medium level people lose jobs and careers when they
>don't meet very critical deadlines; even unreasonable ones. I can imagine
>statements like the following, "Forget the drumming from the gas heater for
>now. It only happens on a few units and is not dangerous. We can introduce
>a fix on the production floor. Have your guys work on the ????? problem
>which must be fixed before production starts."
>
>
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>Third, as pointed out in the article, all cars have their "birthing"
>problems even if it is a vehicle that has traditional designs such as the
>Valiant and Falcon back then. I hate to say it again but part of that
>problem came from cost factors in the design and purchasing decisions. This
>was hugely aggravated by the poor work practices on the production floor.
>If there are problems with new traditional designs, you must expect problems
>with a completely unprecedented design.
>
>
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>Fourth, and this may be the primary reason, the Engineers didn't and maybe
>couldn't imagine all of the possible failure modes. I have no doubt that
>they tested vehicles at the extreme temperatures to be sure the car would
>start and run in the Nevada desert in summer as well as in Maine in the dead
>of winter. They may not have tested in the 32 to 42 F range at a variety of
>specific humidity points ranging around 75%. The thought process might be,
>"If it runs OK at the extremes, it should run fine anywhere in the middle."
>Even if they did test at the critical points, see the first item above. The
>carbs were hand constructed and may not have exhibited a problem anywhere in
>the temp/humidity range.
>
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>Even today when the Engineers have design and testing tools that the 50s and
>60s Engineers couldn't even imagine, we still see birthing problems and
>subsequent production floor and dealership fixes and even recalls. Many of
>the issues from back when still exist.
>
>
>
>Doc
>
>1960 Corvette, 1961 Rampside, 1962 Rampside, 1964 Spyder coupe, 1965
>Greenbrier, 1966 Canadian Corsa turbo coupe, 1967 Nova SS, 1968 Camaro
>ragtop
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>In a message dated 3/10/2013 9:00:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>virtualvairs-request at corvair.org writes:
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>Message: 3
>Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 08:37:25 -0700
>From: "Bob Gilbert" <bgilbert at gilberts-bc.ca>
>Subject: Re: <VV> Popular-Science-May-1960 Corvair Article
>To: "'Matt Nall'" <patiomatt at aol.com>, <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>Message-ID: <00eb01ce1da5$2a8b61b0$7fa22510$@gilberts-bc.ca>
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>Interesting article but what amazes me when I read articles like this is
>that most of the reported problems could have(or should have) been caught
>during basic testing. Didn't the original belt system exhibit these problems
>during testing? Was there no cold weather testing and so on?
>Regards,
>Bob
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>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:27:21 -0400
>From: <tkalp at cox.net>
>Subject: Re: <VV> Belt issues?
>To: Sethracer at aol.com, virtualvairs at corvair.org
>Message-ID: <20130311172721.35Q9O.559147.imail at eastrmwml108>
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>---- Sethracer at aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Of course, Ron, I have yet to down-shift a riding mower entering turn 6 at
>> Laguna Seca. But that's just me! <grin> - Seth Emerson
>> _______________________________________________
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>And the top three reasons why are:
>
>4) not enough speed entering the turn
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>3) too wide spacing on the gearset
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>2) had enough torque to pull thru
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>1) no one would ever lend me a mower . . .
>
>All in fun.
>
>T. Kalp
>Wichita, KS
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>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:24:44 -0400 (EDT)
>From: hallgrenn at aol.com
>Subject: Re: <VV> Belt issues?
>To: tkalp at cox.net, Sethracer at aol.com, virtualvairs at corvair.org
>Message-ID: <8CFEC9CD6281CDD-19EC-4435A at webmail-d223.sysops.aol.com>
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>Don't the Shriners race riding mowers? Maybe they can address this issue............
>
>Bob
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: tkalp <tkalp at cox.net>
>To: Sethracer <Sethracer at aol.com>; virtualvairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>Sent: Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:27 pm
>Subject: Re: <VV> Belt issues?
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>---- Sethracer at aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Of course, Ron, I have yet to down-shift a riding mower entering turn 6 at
>> Laguna Seca. But that's just me! <grin> - Seth Emerson
>> _______________________________________________
>
>And the top three reasons why are:
>
>4) not enough speed entering the turn
>
>3) too wide spacing on the gearset
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>2) had enough torque to pull thru
>
>1) no one would ever lend me a mower . . .
>
>All in fun.
>
>T. Kalp
>Wichita, KS
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>Message: 4
>Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:37:12 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Matt Nall <patiomatt at aol.com>
>Subject: <VV> Desert Relics... Newberry, Ca.
>To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>Message-ID: <8CFEC9E93F29240-B6C-43353 at webmail-d240.sysops.aol.com>
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> Here's some pics off of Ebay.... let me know if you have trouble viewing.. I'll attach them instead..
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>http://corvaircenter.com/phorum/file.php?1,file=83903,filename=Desert_Relics-1.jpg
>http://corvaircenter.com/phorum/file.php?1,file=83903,filename=Desert_Relics-2.jpg
>http://corvaircenter.com/phorum/file.php?1,file=83903,filename=Desert_Relics-3.jpg
>http://corvaircenter.com/phorum/file.php?1,file=83903,filename=Desert_Relics-4.jpg
>http://corvaircenter.com/phorum/file.php?1,file=83903,filename=Desert_Relics-5.jpg
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>Matt Nall
>Charleston, Oregon
>http://tinyurl.com/The-Corvair-Patio
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>http://tinyurl.com/Matts-Tech-Pages
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>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:30:12 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Matt Nall <patiomatt at aol.com>
>Subject: <VV> Try Again!! Desert Relics in Newberry, Ca.
>To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>Message-ID: <8CFECA5FB35058C-B6C-44754 at webmail-d240.sysops.aol.com>
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>http://corvaircenter.com/phorum/file.php?1,file=83903,filename=Desert_Relics-1.jpg
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>http://corvaircenter.com/phorum/file.php?1,file=83904,filename=Desert_Relics-2.jpg
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>http://corvaircenter.com/phorum/file.php?1,file=83905,filename=Desert_Relics-3.jpg
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>http://corvaircenter.com/phorum/file.php?1,file=83906,filename=Desert_Relics-4.jpg
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>http://corvaircenter.com/phorum/file.php?1,file=83907,filename=Desert_Relics-5.jpg
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>Matt Nall
>Charleston, Oregon
>http://tinyurl.com/The-Corvair-Patio
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>http://tinyurl.com/Matts-Tech-Pages
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>Message: 6
>Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 19:32:14 +0000
>From: Joel McGregor <joel at joelsplace.com>
>Subject: Re: <VV> Belt issues?
>To: "virtualvairs at corvair.org" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>Message-ID:
> <27D1EC0369826D478297DD86D9DE5E2C15A0DAC5 at 2012SBS.joelsplace.local>
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>If everything is right I've never had a belt problem on any of my stock engines and I run them as hard as they are capable of. Do people have issues with belts? I did have a '61 one time that had belt issues but it died before I got them sorted.
>Joel McGregor
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>Message: 7
>Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:35:04 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Matt Nall <patiomatt at aol.com>
>Subject: Re: <VV> Belt issues?
>To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>Message-ID: <8CFECA6A9DBD18B-B6C-44925 at webmail-d240.sysops.aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>If everything is right I've never had a belt problem on any of my stock engines
>and I run them as hard as they are capable of. Do people have issues with
>belts? I did have a '61 one time that had belt issues but it died before I got
>them sorted.
>Joel McGregor
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>If everything is "right" NOPE!
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> Mainly today... Racers lose belts when downshifting at ultra high RPM... 6500+
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>Matt Nall
>Charleston, Oregon
>http://tinyurl.com/The-Corvair-Patio
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>http://tinyurl.com/Matts-Tech-Pages
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>Message: 8
>Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:21:08 -0500 (CDT)
>From: wfcc at mediacombb.net
>Subject: Re: <VV> Belt issues?
>To: hallgrenn at aol.com
>Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org, Sethracer at aol.com, tkalp at cox.net
>Message-ID:
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>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
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>You're thinking of the IRL (Idiots Racing Lawnmowers)- I tried it -once- they can get to be pretty fast. And Corvair Content- some are rear engined, Air Cooled.
>
> Ed Lindsay
> West Florida Corvair Club
>----- Original Message -----
>From: hallgrenn at aol.com
>
>
>Don't the Shriners race riding mowers? Maybe they can address this issue............
>
>Bob
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: tkalp <tkalp at cox.net>
>
>
>
>---- Sethracer at aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Of course, Ron, I have yet to down-shift a riding mower entering turn 6 at
>> Laguna Seca. But that's just me! <grin> - Seth Emerson
>> _______________________________________________
>
>And the top three reasons why are:
>
>4) not enough speed entering the turn
>
>3) too wide spacing on the gearset
>
>2) had enough torque to pull thru
>
>1) no one would ever lend me a mower . . .
>
>All in fun.
>
>T. Kalp
>Wichita, KS
>
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