<VV> Apology

Tue Jan 1 13:43:59 EST 2013

I see I failed to change the subject line again.  I try but some times I
forget.     Smitty

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Cynical Question on Acetone/ATF Mix (jvhroberts at aol.com)
   2. Re: Loosening Bolts (Ken Pepke)
   3. Competition Points (levair at aol.com)
   4. pg leak solved?? (Michael Kovacs)
   5. 1968 Ultra Van #490 For Sale in Los Angeles (Owen Strawn)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 06:53:43 -0500 (EST)
From: jvhroberts at aol.com
Subject: Re: <VV> Cynical Question on Acetone/ATF Mix
To: corvairduval at cox.net, virtualvairs at corvair.org
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 When something containing oil has water in it, its ability to penetrate
anything is seriously compromised by having water present. 

Interesting you're sitting in front of a fire after this discussion... <G>

John Roberts

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From: Frank DuVal <corvairduval at cox.net>
To: virtualvairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Sent: Mon, Dec 31, 2012 10:12 pm
Subject: Re: <VV> Cynical Question on Acetone/ATF Mix

Good points, John.

But, I'm not sure #2 means anything. That is usually I am soaking to remove
fasteners, not protect them for a long time. Case in point, if I use the
Blue Wrench to loosen fasteners, I use water as the quench/lube.

And, #4, Naphtha is a main ingredient in PB Blaster. Naphtha has a boiling
point of 151?F, and combined with the other ingredients, PB Blaster has a
flashpoint of 150?F. While not as flammable as Acetone, not far from it.

Further, you can tell who is not out on the town on New Year's Eve!

Frank DuVal
At least I'm sitting in front of a fire...

On 12/31/2012 5:26 PM, jvhroberts at aol.com wrote:
>   Not to state the obvious...
>
> 1. Acetone is seriously volatile. With a BP of ~130F, it doesn't last 
> very
long.
> 2. Acetone is hygroscopic. Not what you want for a rust penetrant.
> 3. It will work if it's made up fresh, it simply won't last very long.
> 4. From a commercial standpoint, why would anyone sell something this 
> bloody
flammable?
> 5. Commercial rust penetrants use a variety of solvents/surfactants to
increase 'wetting power' that don't have the problems of acetone.
>
>   
>
> John Roberts
>   
>
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 09:04:29 -0500
From: Ken Pepke <kenpepke at juno.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> Loosening Bolts
To: VirtualVairs <VirtualVairs at corvair.org>,	"Robert K. Henry"
	<henry336359 at bellsouth.net>
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Has anyone out there ever soaked a rusted bolt, nut/bolt, for days then
finally got it to squeak apart only to find dry, powdery rust all over the
threads?  Does that powdery rust look exactly like the rust that comes out
of a nut/bolt that you just cranked apart without soaking?

How much actual 'penetrating' does any of this stuff do?  Does 'soaking'
really make any difference in the effort needed in making that first initial
movement?

Ken P
Wyandotte, MI
65 Monza 110hp 4 speed 2 door
Worry looks around; Sorry looks back, Faith looks up.

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On Dec 31, 2012, at 10:43 PM, Robert K. Henry wrote:

> I've heard of the penetrating power of wintergreen oil. I understand
that's the reason it's used in Marvel Mystery Oil. I wonder how that product
would compare as a penetrant.
> 
> Robert Henry
> '65 Corsa Convertible
> Knoxville, TN
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 31, 2012, at 12:35 PM, "henry kaczmarek" <kaczmarek at charter.net>
wrote:
> 
>> There?s an even cheaper yet somewhat aromatic way of loosening bolts. 
>> 
>> Oil of Wintergreen.  Known in Naval parlance as ?Nut Cracker?.  
>> 
>> Simply applied to threads and over nuts---even those badly corroded by
salt water,  works like a champ. 
>> 
>> Navy Medical departments always kept plenty on hand for use by the deck
department. 
>> 
>> Hank
>> 
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 10:13:53 -0500 (EST)
From: levair at aol.com
Subject: <VV> Competition Points
To: Virtualvairs at corvair.org, fastvair at yahoogroups.com
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Performace Points.

    It's that time of year for reports from persons who have
demonstrated their Corvair's  car and driver's performace
in non Corsa moving events. These is a proven method or creating
interest in our cars.
   Competition points  and donated money are awarded for championship
categories.
    Even if you haven't won any championship events we would love to
hear of your exciting experiences: schools, track event, vintage and
regional races, etc.
   Please send your results (on paper if expecting awards) to:
Warren LeVeque
Competition Chairman
4657 No. St. Rd. 9
Anderson, IN 46012
Levair at aol.com

by Feb 28,  2013

Thanks,

Warren

Anxious to hear from you!

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 08:05:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Kovacs <kovacsmj at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: <VV> pg leak solved??
To: VV <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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 After determining that the PG leak was not the pan/gasket/gland nut etc. I 
decided to to a better job of observation. I noticed that there was a a few 
drops of ATF on the lower suspension arm bracket attached to the
differential. 
Should not be there! I then decided to check the flange (loosely described) 
between the PG and the Diff. I had used a new gasket, so it should not leak 
unless....

 I put the 1/2" box end wrench on the 4 bolts, and sure enough one was not 
tight. I say about 90 degrees loose before getting it tight. The other three

only tightened about 30 degrees. No room to get the torque wrench in there.

 I ran the engine for about 20 min yesterday and checked for a leak this 
morning. It is not leaking!! Due diligence sometimes is the only answer.

 Thanks for all the advice. 
MIKE KOVACS

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 07:56:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Owen Strawn <owenstrawn at yahoo.com>
Subject: <VV> 1968 Ultra Van #490 For Sale in Los Angeles
To: Virtual Vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>,	Ultravan Group
	<UltraVan at yahoogroups.com>
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#490 is up on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160948124488

More info here:
http://www.corvair.org/chapters/ultravan/used/used409.html

Corvair 110 hp engine
Generator and roof air conditioner
Rear air ride suspension

Happy New Year to all!
Owen
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