<VV> Late 4-doors

[Ken Pepke]

Probably the most used 'generally accepted' would be the statement that Ralph Nader killed the Corvair!  

Just because something is 'generally accepted' does not mean it is correct.  So why are so many 'Corvair people' willing to settle for incorrect or less than correct statements / names?  Why do some even promote those erroneous thoughts!  Now that the marketplace is finally recognizing the Corvair's engineering excellence shouldn't we, as the modern day promoters of the marque, hold ourselves to a higher standard?  

Ken P
Wyandotte, MI
65 Monza 110hp 4 speed 2 door
Worry looks around; Sorry looks back, Faith looks up. 

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On Dec 4, 2012, at 11:03 AM, shortle wrote:

> I agree with JV that a 2 door is a coupe and a 4 door is a sedan. What are some of the other "generally accepted definitions" among the Corvair brethren? 
> The first 1 that comes to mind is: Saginaw transmissions are 1966-1969. (We all know this is not totally correct but still generally accepted). Any others?
> Timothy Shortle in Durango Colorado 81301
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> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jvhroberts at aol.com
>> Sent: Dec 4, 2012 8:14 AM
>> To: kenpepke at juno.com, virtualvairs at corvair.org
>> Cc: chartzel at comcast.net
>> Subject: Re: <VV> Late 4-doors
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>> The generally accepted definition is the two doors are coupes and the four doors are sedans. This is how we've identified them all this time. 
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>> John Roberts
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ken Pepke <kenpepke at juno.com>
>> To: Virtual Vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>; Vair Views <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>> Cc: Clark Hartzel <chartzel at comcast.net>
>> Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:08 am
>> Subject: Re: <VV> Late 4-doors
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>> OK, Clark … 42+ years as a design engineer at Fisher Body [and continuing on 
>> after they deleted the Fisher name] taught me that in the automotive industry 
>> [SAE] the definition of a SEDAN is a vehicle with a row of passenger seats 
>> behind the driver seat.
>> 
>> A SEDAN can be two doors or four doors.  It can be with a 'B' pillar or without.  
>> It can be a convertible with 2 or 4 doors.
>> 
>> A STATION WAGON can be 2 or 4 doors and generally has two rows of seating, or 
>> one row of seating and a load floor, behind the driver.
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>> Originally a COUPE was a 2 door that had no row of seating behind the driver.  
>> Later the 'Club' Coupe added an abbreviated row of seats behind the driver and 
>> differed from a two door sedan by the smaller volume of the space behind the 
>> driver.  It may or may not have a fixed 'B' pillar.  
>> 
>> So, both EM and LM 4 door Corvairs are SEDANS by virtue of their row or seating 
>> behind the driver.
>> 
>> The real question is are EM Corvairs two door sedans or coupes?  How about LMs?  
>> I have never seen published the volume of either so I cannot compare it to the 
>> SAE standards … and visually it is kind of close to call.  My guess they would 
>> be SEDANS.  The convertibles would both be coupes because the top mechanism 
>> reduces the volume of the area behind the driver seat.
>> 
>> Ken P
>> Wyandotte, MI
>> 65 Monza 110hp 4 speed 2 door
>> Worry looks around; Sorry looks back, Faith looks up.
>> 
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>> On Dec 3, 2012, at 3:47 PM, Clark Hartzel wrote:
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>>> Is it time to start the argument that late 4-doors are not sedans?
>>> Sedans have a B pillar.  The Corvair is a 4-door hardtop with no B pillars.
>>> GRIN, Clark Hartzel 
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