<VV> Late 4-doors

[shortle]

I agree with JV that a 2 door is a coupe and a 4 door is a sedan. What are some of the other "generally accepted definitions" among the Corvair brethren? 
The first 1 that comes to mind is: Saginaw transmissions are 1966-1969. (We all know this is not totally correct but still generally accepted). Any others?
Timothy Shortle in Durango Colorado 81301


-----Original Message-----
>From: jvhroberts at aol.com
>Sent: Dec 4, 2012 8:14 AM
>To: kenpepke at juno.com, virtualvairs at corvair.org
>Cc: chartzel at comcast.net
>Subject: Re: <VV> Late 4-doors
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> The generally accepted definition is the two doors are coupes and the four doors are sedans. This is how we've identified them all this time. 
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>John Roberts
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ken Pepke <kenpepke at juno.com>
>To: Virtual Vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>; Vair Views <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>Cc: Clark Hartzel <chartzel at comcast.net>
>Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:08 am
>Subject: Re: <VV> Late 4-doors
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>OK, Clark … 42+ years as a design engineer at Fisher Body [and continuing on 
>after they deleted the Fisher name] taught me that in the automotive industry 
>[SAE] the definition of a SEDAN is a vehicle with a row of passenger seats 
>behind the driver seat.
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>A SEDAN can be two doors or four doors.  It can be with a 'B' pillar or without.  
>It can be a convertible with 2 or 4 doors.
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>A STATION WAGON can be 2 or 4 doors and generally has two rows of seating, or 
>one row of seating and a load floor, behind the driver.
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>Originally a COUPE was a 2 door that had no row of seating behind the driver.  
>Later the 'Club' Coupe added an abbreviated row of seats behind the driver and 
>differed from a two door sedan by the smaller volume of the space behind the 
>driver.  It may or may not have a fixed 'B' pillar.  
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>So, both EM and LM 4 door Corvairs are SEDANS by virtue of their row or seating 
>behind the driver.
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>The real question is are EM Corvairs two door sedans or coupes?  How about LMs?  
>I have never seen published the volume of either so I cannot compare it to the 
>SAE standards … and visually it is kind of close to call.  My guess they would 
>be SEDANS.  The convertibles would both be coupes because the top mechanism 
>reduces the volume of the area behind the driver seat.
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>Ken P
>Wyandotte, MI
>65 Monza 110hp 4 speed 2 door
>Worry looks around; Sorry looks back, Faith looks up.
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>On Dec 3, 2012, at 3:47 PM, Clark Hartzel wrote:
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>> Is it time to start the argument that late 4-doors are not sedans?
>> Sedans have a B pillar.  The Corvair is a 4-door hardtop with no B pillars.
>> GRIN, Clark Hartzel 
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