<VV> New Oils for Classic cars

Fri Jun 3 18:33:28 EDT 2011

I do know about them.  They are excellent.  So are Amsoil.  So is 
Mobile 1.  Lots of people have lots of opinions about which is 
best.  My comment on "safe not sorry" was not a reflection of the 
Brad Penn oils -- it was that the old tried and true break in your 
engine with Castrol 30 wgt is "safe" actually is not safe -- people 
must educate themselves and pick a suitable oil they are comfortable 
with rather than going with the old "safe not sorry" or you'll end up 
with flat cams.

So ... I wanted something I could put in my Corvairs, tractors, 
diesel trucks and Mobile 1 15-50 fits the bill as John Deere and Ford 
have them on the approved list, and they have worked well for me.

The number one reason I get Mobile 1 instead of trying the others is 
-- since after reading all the stuff I am not convinced as to exactly 
which is "best" -- is availability.

The ability to stop at any Mobile station during a trip and get your 
oil.  The ability to buy hyper-cheap synthetic in 5 quart bottles at 
Walmart.  The ability to pick it up at literally every single auto 
parts chain (Napa, Car Quest, Auto Zone are three we have here).  No 
shipping costs, no pre-planning required.

I always carry a spare quart or two depending on the vintage of the 
car.  I holed an oil filter while on a dirt road.  I needed 3.5 
quarts.  Stop at the next gas station, fill er up!  No fuss, no 
mess  ... well until I had to fix the filter for real.

So if versatility and availability and price and an excellent oil 
(but one that arguably is not the best according to some people and 
is the best according to other people) are big on your criteria list 
-- Mobil 1 15-50 (especially from Wally World) is a good choice.  And 
they do certify it for engine break in, so the "safe not sorry" 
comment does not apply -- Mobile 1 is perfectly safe for break in as 
well as regular usage.  I have literally 100s of thousands of miles 
on Corvairs and have a vague idea as to how well it works.

E

At 02:55 PM 6/3/2011, BBRT wrote:
>With all due respect Eric, apparently you don't know about Brad Penn 
>Performance oils. The only all-US petroleum and formulated with the 
>original Green tint and high levels of ZDDP. This refinery produced 
>THE racing oil in the past and now sells oil to Nationwide NASCAR 
>and NHRA teams that is re-branded for use in their race cars.  There 
>have been numerous emails on this site, FV, and the Phorum extolling 
>its virtues. It happens to be recommended by a variety of cam mfg. 
>incl Isky (for flat-tappet cams).
>No, I am not a dealer. Nor do I have any financial interests in 
>American Refinery Group.
>Oh, BTW, I sincerely appreciate your lint reference. Very classy.
>
>Chuck S
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric S. Eberhard" <flash at vicsmba.com>
>To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>Cc: <chsadek at comcast.net>
>Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 5:43 PM
>Subject: New Oils for Classic cars
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>>The "safe than sorry" argument is what cost me two cam shafts.  It 
>>seems people think for some reason it is "safe" to use dinosaur oil 
>>for break-in and not synthetic.  So they don't know anything about 
>>ZDDP and then ruin my cams.  Mobile 1 (as stated on their Web page) 
>>is rated to break in engines.  Some synthetics are not, but Mobile 
>>1 is.  And it has the correct phosphorous and zinc levels for 
>>Corvairs.  It is plenty safe to follow my recommendation, most 
>>certainly Exxon-Mobil's, for using Mobile 1 during break in and all 
>>around. Note -- not ALL Mobile 1 has the right ZDDP levels -- check 
>>their site. I use the 15-50 and always have, so I just got lucky, 
>>so long as I was doing the work myself.  The two bad engines were 
>>two different mechanics and they insisted on using Castrol 30 wgt 
>>... unfortunately months apart ... and both did not make it 10k on 
>>the cams.  I supposed I could have gotten 2 bad cams from Clark's 
>>and two good ones when I used the Mobile 1 -- I just think the odds 
>>of that are small.
>>
>>But opinions about oil are like belly buttons, everyone has one, 
>>and mostly they are good for collecting lint.
>>
>>Eric
>>
>>At 02:15 PM 6/3/2011, you wrote:
>>>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 17:15:36 -0400
>>>From: "BBRT" <chsadek at comcast.net       >
>>>Subject: Re: <VV> New Oils for Classic cars
>>>To: "Mark Durham" <62vair at gmail.com>
>>>Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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>>>I agree with Mark. I think it is better to be safe than sorry. Therefore, I
>>>use a Brad Penn break-in oil, followed by either Brad Penn (yes, they make a
>>>semi-synthetic) or Amsoil Dominator (has plenty of ZDDP). Brad Penn is far
>>>cheaper, and to me a sure bet. I do use Amsoil in the gearbox/diff. Years
>>>ago, I tried other oils, off the shelf, had more bearing wear and one cam
>>>lobe go down .020. I have been lucky with the bottom end, only one rod brg
>>>failure (engine builder, me, screwed up) and a rod bolt break - before
>>>switching to ARP rod bolts. My issues have been in valve seats in old racing
>>>heads.
>>>Chuck S
>>>BBRT
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