<VV> 5997 and Corvair prices

[Brent Fullard]

Frank:

Thanks for setting the record straight. I am pleased to hear that the present 
owner did do something to improve this car's overall condition whilst in his 
ownership. We could debate the merits of whether adding a telescopic column is 
"adding value" or not, to a car of this historical significance, but what would 
be the point? 


I am pleased that the owner has seen the benefit (to him, not to mention the car 
itself) of upgrading the "damn weatherstripping" (his term).

Brent




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From: "corvairduval at cox.net" <corvairduval at cox.net>
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Sent: Wed, July 6, 2011 11:01:24 AM
Subject: Re: <VV> 5997 and Corvair prices

Brent, I am not going to change your opinion, it is waht it is.

But I have to set the facts straight for others reading this exchange.

I know this car, and have followed it since Big Wave Dave offered it for
sale.

Fact one:

Allen paid more than $15000 for it!!!!!!!!!!  And why this is even in the
discussion, except for historical purposes, is beyond me. For historical
reference, I could have bought it for around 15K when Dave sold it, but I
didn't. Someone else did, and then later Allen bought it for quite a bit
more than that from Marvin Crook. I do not know what that owner (owners)
may have done to improve the car. Maybe you should complain about them!

Fact two:

Allen has invested in the car on at least three point that I am aware of.
The first being the addition of the telescoping steering column. This is no
small cost item. Probably over $1K to buy, paint and install.

Fact three:

Allen has repaired a front fender to better represent the 69 body. By that
I mean the front fender had been repaired way back in time, when they were
used cars, and the side marker light was just cut flat into the fender.
Allen has recreated the inset for the light. Repair and blending the paint
could be again as high as $1K if a shop did it.

Fact four:

Allen has found an original 69 seat part to replace a worn spot in the
upholstery. Not a large investment, but a very lucky one, from a fellow
club member. There are probably more little items, as I know Allen tinkers
all the time on his cars.  

Fact five:

As with any non-restored car, there are flaws. Flaws from time, previous
owner tricks and repairs from a time when they were used cars with low
value. This is what sets the non-restored car apart from those high dollar
restorations. This gets back to the survivor discussion earlier. Different
meanings for different people. Allen is not offering this as a restored
car. There are things that the next owner may wish to improve during their
ownership. That is part of the fun of owning collector cars.

I just  wanted to set some facts straight. As I always say when people ask
me what to price a car for sale: "price it high, as you can always come
down if need be, but the buyer will not like it if you up the price on
them!"

Frank DuVal


Original Message:
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From: Brent Fullard brent.fullard at rogers.com
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 06:02:04 -0700 (PDT)
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Subject: Re: <VV> 5997 and Corvairvprices


You speak of "the respect that comes with a vehicle that earns the dollar 
respect from the rest of the collector car community.". This goes to the
point 
that I was making about the crumbling weatherstripping that this supposed 
"premier" car is sporting. Where is the respect on display that the current 
owner ostensibly has for this car? What "value added" has the current owner 
provided to justify his asking price of $38,200 for a car that he
apparently 
paid $15,000 for? I always judge my ownership of things like homes and old
cars 
by whether (and by how much) they improved under my ownership, such that
they 
were better (in substance) when I sold them than when I bought them,
because of 
the respect that I showed them while under my ownership. That is the true 
measure of respect, rather than whether they could be flipped for a fat
profit. 
In that regard, what has the current owner of this last Corvair convertible
done 
to the car to make it a better specimen than when he first bought it? The
sad 
state of the weatherstripping indicates to me that he did nothing



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