<VV> VirtualVairs Digest, Vol 83, Issue 39

Wed Dec 14 00:19:20 EST 2011

My original one owner 63 Spyder has a black air cleaner. It was ordered in May and delivered in June of 63. Pictures of athe engine compartment can be viewed at address below.
Lawrence Jahn, PCCA
http://community.webshots.com/user/ljahn1958

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: 63 Spyder air cleaners (again) (Ramon Rodriguez III)
   2. MYSTERY FC  PART IDENTIFIED  (from a while ago) (N2VZD at aol.com)
   3. Oil for new engine (Patrick Murphy)
   4. Higher Energy WAS 100 Octane Gas at Irving (Ken Pepke)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 01:43:42 -0500
From: Ramon Rodriguez III <corvairgrymm at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> 63 Spyder air cleaners (again)
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In browsing the internet I have seen the 63 Spyder with both chrome and
black air cleaner several times each but obviously it is very likely that
some would not be original.

I have found that the 1963 Spyder ad "cart before the horse" does depict
the 63' Spyder with a black air cleaner housing.  This could be a
pre-production mock up that is not correct but it does have 63 tail lights,
and I'm fairly sure that it has 63 upholstery and rear air grill.

The 1963 dealer brochure in describing the Spyder options says "The
installation is a joy to behold:  beautiful workmanship; chrome-plated
induction tube, fuel and oil lines and dipstick; single side draft
carburetor; special camshaft and an exhaust-driven turbo-supercharger"
Note that it does not mention the chrome plated air cleaner housing.

Also of note:  The 1964 brochure uses nearly the exact text as above, also
not making mention of a chrome plated air cleaner housing, and even more
strange on page 3 it shows the Spyder engine room and the air cleaner
appears to be black!   The tail lamps in the same photo are 64 style but I
highly doubt the 64' ad photo would have a black air cleaner housing if the
63's were all chrome.  Presumably a 1964 model year promotional photo would
be using rather late 63 parts at the oldest.

I do not find any mention of the change to a chrome air cleaner housing in
any of my Corvair books, including "The Corvair Decade".

Thanks for your continued input,

-- 
Ray "Grymm" Rodriguez III
Lake Ariel, PA
1966 Corsa 140 coupe (daily driver)
1965 Corsa 180 coupe (under construction)
1965 Corsa 140 coupe (for sale/under construction)
1963 Monza PG coupe (daily driver)
1962 Monza PG coupe (under construction)

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Ramon Rodriguez III <
corvairgrymm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the replies.  I've had at least two people (fairly
> knowledgeable Corvair folk) tell me that their 63's came with black
> housings, but it's starting to sound more like I was correct in the first
> place thinking that they were all chrome.  I'd like as many replies as
> possible to help reach a fairly certain conclusion.
>
> --
> Ray "Grymm" Rodriguez III
> Lake Ariel, PA
> 1966 Corsa 140 coupe (daily driver)
> 1965 Corsa 180 coupe (under construction)
> 1965 Corsa 140 coupe (for sale/under construction)
> 1963 Monza PG coupe (daily driver)
> 1962 Monza PG coupe (under construction)
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 4:42 PM, lonwall at corvairunderground.com <
> corvairs at pacifier.com> wrote:
>
>> All 1962 Spyders had a black housing. All 63-64 had chrome.
>>
>> Lon
>> www.corvairunderground.com
>>
>>

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 00:45:01 -0500 (EST)
From: N2VZD at aol.com
Subject: <VV> MYSTERY FC  PART IDENTIFIED  (from a while ago)
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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Some time ago , someone had a small odd shaped " washer"  posted  here. I 
knew i had seen it before , but could not remember where. Well yesterday  I 
removed a steering box from a FC...and it goes under the top bolt for the 
box.  It fits that odd shaped area of the frame. It is now in my parts tumbler 
with  other small parts. if you want a better picture , I will post it after 
clean  up.
The 64 greenbrier from hell left here yesterday. I wanted a few other small 
parts from it , but I think we are running out of good weather , plus  it 
was not "mobile" and in a bad spot.
more pictures at the  _www.cnycorvair.com_ (http://www.cnycorvair.com)    
website.  This one was a real challenge. My surprise finding yesterday was 
the motor  turns...well @300 degrees, before locking up. So i will spend more 
time removing  rusted bolts than I planned , I should be able to save the WB 
block and torque  converter..I expect to find a broken piston or rod. gees 
, if I luck out it is  just a valve stuck open..
I have not been this happy ( or sore !) in a long time. I did not expect to 
get the last few parts when my torches ran out of acetylene.
Anyone use propane , instead of acetylene?   does it work as good  for 
cutting? Now would be the time to switch.
Regards, Tim Colson
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 22:18:24 -0500
From: Patrick Murphy <litetrix at gmail.com>
Subject: <VV> Oil for new engine
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I can't remember where I read about oil for newly rebuilt engines. Might
have been here or in a newsletter. It talked about the wrong oil causing
crank failure. Can anyone tell me what oil to use in my engine as someone
else rebuilt it before I got it and I don't know what's inside it.

Patrick Murphy
1961 Corvair Lakewood Station Wagon

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:36:20 -0500
From: Ken Pepke <kenpepke at juno.com>
Subject: <VV> Higher Energy WAS 100 Octane Gas at Irving
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The early stages of 'ping' will probably not be noticed by most drivers until it has reached the point of 'spark knock' especially in a Corvair with the engine growling away in the rear.  While there may or may not be more energy in higher octane ratings there is a greater control of the flame front which can, and will, result in a longer and more complete burn ... and a noticeable improvement in performance.  Once a driver gets used to the feel of the improved performance in the 'old girl' and lightens up on the 'skinny pedal' there can be an increase in fuel milage.  

Like the feel of the 100 octane?  Sneak in some 110 aviation ... Careful though, it will make you smile hard enough to break your face! 
There is no such thing as too much octane but there is a point of diminishing returns ... That point is usually located in the drivers wallet.

Ken P
Wyandotte, MI
Worry looks around; Sorry looks back, Faith looks up.

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> Steven.. does your engine PING  now with 93"
> 
> 
> If not no need for any higher....
> 
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> There is NOT  more energy / power in higher octane fuel!!!
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> Octane #  is the resistance to spark knock /  ping  ONLY...
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> It's actually DIRTY  fuel.. comparatively...
> 
> 
> Matt Nall
> Charleston, Oregon
> http://tinyurl.com/The-Patio
> http://tinyurl.com/Matts-Tech-Pages
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