<VV> Parking Brake Cable - include 30 cednts worth of hardware ?

shortle shortle556 at earthlink.net
Fri Sep 17 10:55:39 EDT 2010 

And they say Corvair people are cheap.
Timothy Shortle in Durango Colorado


-----Original Message-----
>From: Dave Keillor <dkeillor at tconcepts.com>
>Sent: Sep 16, 2010 12:15 PM
>To: Virtual Vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable - include 30 cednts worth of hardware ?
>
>Aaaarrrggghhh!  This discussion is nutz!
>
>Dave Keillor
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org
>[mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of Charles Lee
>Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 12:20 PM
>To: John O'Shea; Virtual Vairs
>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable - include 30 cednts worth of
>hardware ?
>
>I'd include 30 cents (retail) worth of nuts on the premise that people
>would 
>probably replace them, and I'd eat the 30 cents (which is more like 12
>cents 
>wholesale)
>
>The PR is worth the 12 cents IMHO, but that's just me.  I'd go out of 
>business if I gave away 12 cents on a $30 sale, I guess ?
>
>~Cz
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "John O'Shea" <jco99 at cox.net>
>To: "Virtual Vairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:18 PM
>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the car ?
>
>
>> Charlie the reason Clark's doesn't include the nuts on the brake
>cables 
>> any
>> more is because people like you used to bitch about that too.
>> They complained about paying the extra money so Clark's listed the
>nuts in
>> the catalog right by the brake cables for anyone to see.
>>
>> J. O'Shea
>> Vegas Vairs - Las Vegas
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
>> To: "shortle" <shortle556 at earthlink.net>; "Daniel Monasterio"
>> <dmonasterio at hotmail.com>; "VirtualVairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the car ?
>>
>>
>>> Hooda thunk you'd need to order the nuts separately ?  They're less
>than
>>> 20
>>> cents ?????
>>>
>>> I ordered by phone and specified the make model year PG etc.
>>>
>>> These are Corvair people, or at least they used to be ?
>>>
>>> ~Cz
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "shortle" <shortle556 at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "shortle" <shortle556 at earthlink.net>; "Charles Lee"
>>> <Chaz at ProperProper.com>; "Daniel Monasterio"
><dmonasterio at hotmail.com>;
>>> "VirtualVairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the car
>?
>>>
>>>
>>>>I just took a look at the Clarks catalogue and they show 3 different 
>>>>front
>>>>hand brake cables for Corvair cars. Which one did you get? And right 
>>>>below
>>>>them are the nuts (to be ordered seperately).
>>>> TS in DC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: shortle <shortle556 at earthlink.net>
>>>>>Sent: Sep 15, 2010 9:16 PM
>>>>>To: Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com>, Daniel Monasterio
>>>>><dmonasterio at hotmail.com>, VirtualVairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>>>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the car
>?
>>>>>
>>>>>Understood. You sound frustrated to me so maybe just take a deep
>breath
>>>>>and walk away from it for awhile. That has worked for me many times
>over
>>>>>in my career as an auto mechanic. If you believe the cable is too
>short,
>>>>>e
>>>>>mail Clarks and ask them to measure another cable length and compare
>
>>>>>that
>>>>>measurement with yours. This will keep them from sending another one
>
>>>>>that
>>>>>is too short and you having to wait more for something that also
>will 
>>>>>not
>>>>>work. Are you certain you are routing the cable properly? Without
>trying
>>>>>to make you more frustrated, the PROPER way to do this is to:
>>>>>1. Hook up cable to lever (ball end)
>>>>>2. Route cable properly to undercarriage hooking up to (lubed)
>pulleys
>>>>>3. Install forward nut onto (lubed) stud [part of cable]
>>>>>4. Put thru rearward cable (the one that goes to both rear wheels)
>>>>>5. Install rear nut and adjust for proper handbrake operation
>>>>>Again, wishing you good luck and I hope to see you and your car next
>>>>>month
>>>>>in Palm Springs
>>>>>Timothy Shortle in Durango Colorado
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
>>>>>>Sent: Sep 15, 2010 8:58 PM
>>>>>>To: shortle <shortle556 at earthlink.net>, Daniel Monasterio
>>>>>><dmonasterio at hotmail.com>, VirtualVairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>>>>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the
>car ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>PS:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No, it's easier to work inside the car - seats removed, plenty of
>room,
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>nosy neighbors can't see me inside the car (except my feet
>sometimes)
>>>>>>because I have to put it up on stands to work underneath.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Most problems have many solutions - the trick is to find a solution
>
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>doesn't cause even more problems !
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>Charlie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>From: "shortle" <shortle556 at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>To: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at ProperProper.com>; "Daniel Monasterio"
>>>>>><dmonasterio at hotmail.com>; "VirtualVairs"
><virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:26 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - too short ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It wouldn't. But it will be easier to install if you finish the
>job
>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>> the car than trying to finish it under the dash. And I believe
>you 
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> getting pretty good at this job.Did you compare the lengths of
>the 2
>>>>>>> cables? I know the original had broke but you still ought to be
>able
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> compare the 2 lengths. As always, wishing you good luck.
>>>>>>> Timothy Shortle in Durango Colorado
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>From: Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sep 15, 2010 8:10 PM
>>>>>>>>To: Daniel Monasterio <dmonasterio at hotmail.com>, VirtualVairs
>>>>>>>><virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - too short ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Just curious, but how would that change the length ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>~Cz
>>>>>>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>  From: Daniel Monasterio
>>>>>>>>  To: Charles Lee ; VirtualVairs
>>>>>>>>  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:01 PM
>>>>>>>>  Subject: RE: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - too short ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Think you are working backwards. You should start at the ball
>end,
>>>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Daniel Monasterio
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  > From: Chaz at ProperProper.com
>>>>>>>>  > To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>>>>>>>>  > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 18:42:17 -0700
>>>>>>>>  > Subject: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - too short ?
>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>  > Is the park brake different for EM and LM ?
>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>  > If so, is one shorter, and what other visible difference is
>there
>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>  > Problem : I just installed Clark's cable, and reached into
>the 
>>>>>>>> bag
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>  > adjustment nuts ? Aarrgghh....
>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>  > I guess they figured we'd re-use the old ones ? OK, but the
>old
>>>>>>>> ones
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>  > rusted tight to the old cable and I can't get them off, so
>I'll
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>  > some new ones, right ?
>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>  > To be certain that I got the right ones before walking a mile
>
>>>>>>>> each
>>>>>>>> way, I
>>>>>>>>  > called Clark's to get the right size :
>>>>>>>>  > The girl says "5/16 24" so I hike over to the hardware store
>to
>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> the two
>>>>>>>>  > (2) 18 cent 5/16 24 nuts that Clark's does not include (why
>not
>>>>>>>> ?).
>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>  > So rethread the cable and wrestle with the 5/16 24's a while
>but
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> go, so I
>>>>>>>>  > rip the cable back out and take it with me this time (those
>>>>>>>> pulleys
>>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>>>  > the dash are NOT fun !)
>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>  > So I try a few more 5/16 24, but they're not 5/16 ***24*** !
>>>>>>>>  > They're 5/16 ***18***.
>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>  > OK, so back home and thread the needle again, - I'm getting 
>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>> good at
>>>>>>>>  > this, the third time.
>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>  > Now, the ball doesn't reach the handle under the dash, so I
>go
>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>>>  > and extend the nuts all the way to the end of the adjustment
>part
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>  > tail end to get a few more inches.
>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>  > Still the ball end does not reach.
>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>  > Have I been short changed ?
>>>>>>>>  > Do I have an EM park brake cable ?
>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>  > Or, am I missing something (again) ?
>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>  > Thanks in advance for your support !
>>>>>>>>  > Charlie
>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>  >
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