<VV> PS: Re: Parking Brake Cable <snip>
Chris & Bill Strickland
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> I approved this one, might not approve the next one with 14 footers.
>
Wish you blocked it -- do you know wht these look like in a digest?
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Today's Topics:
1. LM front parking brake cable (not a me too post) (Kinzelman, Andy)
2. Re: LM front parking brake cable (not a me too post) (Charles Lee)
3. Re: LM front parking brake cable (not a me too post)
(Kinzelman, Andy)
4. The good from the bad or... something to learn (Daniel Monasterio)
5. Re: Lock to lock question of alignment and ratios ?
(Bryan Blackwell)
6. Re: Parking Brake Cable - include 30 cednts worth of hardware
? (Dave Keillor)
7. Re: Parking Brake Cable - include 30 cednts worth of hardware
? (Dennis Pleau)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:50:25 -0500
From: "Kinzelman, Andy" <akinzelm at greatnortherncorp.com>
Subject: <VV> LM front parking brake cable (not a me too post)
To: "'virtualvairs at corvair.org'" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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Guys,
Reading this thread reminds me of my problem. I put a new cable into my 65 500 (with 67 column). With the cable routed over the under-column pulley and running (at an outward angle) back to the P-brake handle; the top of the clutch pedal abrades the cable. If I actually have the P-brake set; there is substantial interference - enough to break the cable in short order.
Is there any difference in P-brake handles (PG vs manual - as far as cable attachment)? My other 65 has the cable running almost straight back - with no clearance issues.
Thanks,
Andy K.
Wisconsin
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:58:33 -0700
From: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> LM front parking brake cable (not a me too post)
To: "Kinzelman, Andy" <akinzelm at greatnortherncorp.com>,
<virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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My 1967 with correct parts has no clearance issues, but I'm not sure what
you man by the cable routed over the under-column pulley, since my right
most pulley (directly off the p-bake handle, is above the column - see pix :
www.yourbuyersinn.com/Cars/Corvair/1967MonzaParkBrakeOperation.htm
www.yourbuyersinn.com/Cars/Corvair/1967MonzaParkBrakeInstallation.htm
Mine is nearly exactly like the drawing in the first link ...
Charlie
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From: "Kinzelman, Andy" <akinzelm at greatnortherncorp.com>
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:50 PM
Subject: <VV> LM front parking brake cable (not a me too post)
> Guys,
> Reading this thread reminds me of my problem. I put a new cable into my
> 65 500 (with 67 column). With the cable routed over the under-column
> pulley and running (at an outward angle) back to the P-brake handle; the
> top of the clutch pedal abrades the cable. If I actually have the P-brake
> set; there is substantial interference - enough to break the cable in
> short order.
> Is there any difference in P-brake handles (PG vs manual - as far as cable
> attachment)? My other 65 has the cable running almost straight back -
> with no clearance issues.
> Thanks,
> Andy K.
> Wisconsin
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:00:36 -0500
From: "Kinzelman, Andy" <akinzelm at greatnortherncorp.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> LM front parking brake cable (not a me too post)
To: 'Charles Lee' <Chaz at ProperProper.com>, "virtualvairs at corvair.org"
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Oops - Charlie is right; the pulley is above the column.
Memory is failing, I guess.
Andy K.
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Lee [mailto:Chaz at ProperProper.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 6:59 PM
To: Kinzelman, Andy; virtualvairs at corvair.org
Subject: Re: <VV> LM front parking brake cable (not a me too post)
My 1967 with correct parts has no clearance issues, but I'm not sure what
you man by the cable routed over the under-column pulley, since my right
most pulley (directly off the p-bake handle, is above the column - see pix :
www.yourbuyersinn.com/Cars/Corvair/1967MonzaParkBrakeOperation.htm
www.yourbuyersinn.com/Cars/Corvair/1967MonzaParkBrakeInstallation.htm
Mine is nearly exactly like the drawing in the first link ...
Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kinzelman, Andy" <akinzelm at greatnortherncorp.com>
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:50 PM
Subject: <VV> LM front parking brake cable (not a me too post)
> Guys,
> Reading this thread reminds me of my problem. I put a new cable into my
> 65 500 (with 67 column). With the cable routed over the under-column
> pulley and running (at an outward angle) back to the P-brake handle; the
> top of the clutch pedal abrades the cable. If I actually have the P-brake
> set; there is substantial interference - enough to break the cable in
> short order.
> Is there any difference in P-brake handles (PG vs manual - as far as cable
> attachment)? My other 65 has the cable running almost straight back -
> with no clearance issues.
> Thanks,
> Andy K.
> Wisconsin
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:31:28 -0700
From: Daniel Monasterio <dmonasterio at hotmail.com>
Subject: <VV> The good from the bad or... something to learn
To: VirtualVairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>, Charles Lee
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By the recent postings on Charles car's parking brake troubble, I think he learnt all the necessary to fix it but, there is something I learnt from Charles troubble on his car's parking brake and it were all the pictures he took, edit and upload to show us, pictorially his concerns.
I think that fixing a parking brake cable is easier than documenting the questions the way he did. Good job Charles !!
Daniel Monasterio
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:43:15 -0400
From: Bryan Blackwell <bryan at skiblack.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> Lock to lock question of alignment and ratios ?
To: Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
Cc: Virtual Vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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As I recall, the box is advertised as 16:1, and that was supposed to match the stock quick box ratio. Turns lock to lock depends on the steering arms.
--Bryan
On Sep 16, 2010, at 6:36 PM, Charles Lee wrote:
> OK, so is 16:1 = 3 1/2 turns lock to lock ?
>
> When I turn the input shaft 4 complete turns, the Pitman shaft turns 90 degrees, which to me is 16:1 (16 turns would be a full circle, 360 degrees) ?
>
> See :
> http://www.yourbuyersinn.com/Cars/Corvair/1967MonzaQuickSteeringBoxDetails.htm
>
> Charlie
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:15:23 -0500
From: "Dave Keillor" <dkeillor at tconcepts.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable - include 30 cednts worth of
hardware ?
To: "Virtual Vairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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Aaaarrrggghhh! This discussion is nutz!
Dave Keillor
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of Charles Lee
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 12:20 PM
To: John O'Shea; Virtual Vairs
Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable - include 30 cednts worth of
hardware ?
I'd include 30 cents (retail) worth of nuts on the premise that people
would
probably replace them, and I'd eat the 30 cents (which is more like 12
cents
wholesale)
The PR is worth the 12 cents IMHO, but that's just me. I'd go out of
business if I gave away 12 cents on a $30 sale, I guess ?
~Cz
----- Original Message -----
From: "John O'Shea" <jco99 at cox.net>
To: "Virtual Vairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the car ?
> Charlie the reason Clark's doesn't include the nuts on the brake
cables
> any
> more is because people like you used to bitch about that too.
> They complained about paying the extra money so Clark's listed the
nuts in
> the catalog right by the brake cables for anyone to see.
>
> J. O'Shea
> Vegas Vairs - Las Vegas
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
> To: "shortle" <shortle556 at earthlink.net>; "Daniel Monasterio"
> <dmonasterio at hotmail.com>; "VirtualVairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:50 PM
> Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the car ?
>
>
>> Hooda thunk you'd need to order the nuts separately ? They're less
than
>> 20
>> cents ?????
>>
>> I ordered by phone and specified the make model year PG etc.
>>
>> These are Corvair people, or at least they used to be ?
>>
>> ~Cz
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "shortle" <shortle556 at earthlink.net>
>> To: "shortle" <shortle556 at earthlink.net>; "Charles Lee"
>> <Chaz at ProperProper.com>; "Daniel Monasterio"
<dmonasterio at hotmail.com>;
>> "VirtualVairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the car
?
>>
>>
>>>I just took a look at the Clarks catalogue and they show 3 different
>>>front
>>>hand brake cables for Corvair cars. Which one did you get? And right
>>>below
>>>them are the nuts (to be ordered seperately).
>>> TS in DC
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>From: shortle <shortle556 at earthlink.net>
>>>>Sent: Sep 15, 2010 9:16 PM
>>>>To: Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com>, Daniel Monasterio
>>>><dmonasterio at hotmail.com>, VirtualVairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the car
?
>>>>
>>>>Understood. You sound frustrated to me so maybe just take a deep
breath
>>>>and walk away from it for awhile. That has worked for me many times
over
>>>>in my career as an auto mechanic. If you believe the cable is too
short,
>>>>e
>>>>mail Clarks and ask them to measure another cable length and compare
>>>>that
>>>>measurement with yours. This will keep them from sending another one
>>>>that
>>>>is too short and you having to wait more for something that also
will
>>>>not
>>>>work. Are you certain you are routing the cable properly? Without
trying
>>>>to make you more frustrated, the PROPER way to do this is to:
>>>>1. Hook up cable to lever (ball end)
>>>>2. Route cable properly to undercarriage hooking up to (lubed)
pulleys
>>>>3. Install forward nut onto (lubed) stud [part of cable]
>>>>4. Put thru rearward cable (the one that goes to both rear wheels)
>>>>5. Install rear nut and adjust for proper handbrake operation
>>>>Again, wishing you good luck and I hope to see you and your car next
>>>>month
>>>>in Palm Springs
>>>>Timothy Shortle in Durango Colorado
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
>>>>>Sent: Sep 15, 2010 8:58 PM
>>>>>To: shortle <shortle556 at earthlink.net>, Daniel Monasterio
>>>>><dmonasterio at hotmail.com>, VirtualVairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>>>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - work inside the
car ?
>>>>>
>>>>>PS:
>>>>>
>>>>>No, it's easier to work inside the car - seats removed, plenty of
room,
>>>>>and
>>>>>nosy neighbors can't see me inside the car (except my feet
sometimes)
>>>>>because I have to put it up on stands to work underneath.
>>>>>
>>>>>Most problems have many solutions - the trick is to find a solution
>>>>>that
>>>>>doesn't cause even more problems !
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Charlie
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "shortle" <shortle556 at earthlink.net>
>>>>>To: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at ProperProper.com>; "Daniel Monasterio"
>>>>><dmonasterio at hotmail.com>; "VirtualVairs"
<virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:26 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - too short ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It wouldn't. But it will be easier to install if you finish the
job
>>>>>> under
>>>>>> the car than trying to finish it under the dash. And I believe
you
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> getting pretty good at this job.Did you compare the lengths of
the 2
>>>>>> cables? I know the original had broke but you still ought to be
able
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> compare the 2 lengths. As always, wishing you good luck.
>>>>>> Timothy Shortle in Durango Colorado
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
>>>>>>>Sent: Sep 15, 2010 8:10 PM
>>>>>>>To: Daniel Monasterio <dmonasterio at hotmail.com>, VirtualVairs
>>>>>>><virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - too short ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Just curious, but how would that change the length ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>~Cz
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Daniel Monasterio
>>>>>>> To: Charles Lee ; VirtualVairs
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:01 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - too short ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Think you are working backwards. You should start at the ball
end,
>>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Daniel Monasterio
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > From: Chaz at ProperProper.com
>>>>>>> > To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>>>>>>> > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 18:42:17 -0700
>>>>>>> > Subject: <VV> Parking Brake Cable question - too short ?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Is the park brake different for EM and LM ?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > If so, is one shorter, and what other visible difference is
there
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Problem : I just installed Clark's cable, and reached into
the
>>>>>>> bag
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > adjustment nuts ? Aarrgghh....
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I guess they figured we'd re-use the old ones ? OK, but the
old
>>>>>>> ones
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> > rusted tight to the old cable and I can't get them off, so
I'll
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> > some new ones, right ?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > To be certain that I got the right ones before walking a mile
>>>>>>> each
>>>>>>> way, I
>>>>>>> > called Clark's to get the right size :
>>>>>>> > The girl says "5/16 24" so I hike over to the hardware store
to
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> the two
>>>>>>> > (2) 18 cent 5/16 24 nuts that Clark's does not include (why
not
>>>>>>> ?).
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > So rethread the cable and wrestle with the 5/16 24's a while
but
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> go, so I
>>>>>>> > rip the cable back out and take it with me this time (those
>>>>>>> pulleys
>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>> > the dash are NOT fun !)
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > So I try a few more 5/16 24, but they're not 5/16 ***24*** !
>>>>>>> > They're 5/16 ***18***.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > OK, so back home and thread the needle again, - I'm getting
>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>> good at
>>>>>>> > this, the third time.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Now, the ball doesn't reach the handle under the dash, so I
go
>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>> > and extend the nuts all the way to the end of the adjustment
part
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > tail end to get a few more inches.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Still the ball end does not reach.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Have I been short changed ?
>>>>>>> > Do I have an EM park brake cable ?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Or, am I missing something (again) ?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Thanks in advance for your support !
>>>>>>> > Charlie
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:25:54 -0700
From: "Dennis Pleau" <dpleau at wavecable.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable - include 30 cednts worth of
hardware ?
To: "'Virtual Vairs'" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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You thunk.
dp
People need to start sniping, there were 13 footers attached to this
message. I wonder why it was larger than 8KB? I approved this one, might
not approve the next one with 14 footers.
PLEASE START FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES!!!
dp
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Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:15 AM
To: Virtual Vairs
Subject: Re: <VV> Parking Brake Cable - include 30 cednts worth of hardware
?
Aaaarrrggghhh! This discussion is nutz!
Dave Keillor
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