<VV> modified vs stock: Ideal 'Cartesian' Corvairs ?

kaczmarek at charter.net kaczmarek at charter.net
Wed Sep 15 18:36:29 EDT 2010 

No Cigar for you Charles

Answer---Well. I Don't know that!!!

Well, Have a guess!

Oh, Henry Bergson 

IS THE CORRECT ANSWER!!!!

And you have won the Grand Prize tonight here on Spot the Brain Cell----THE BLOW ON THE HEAD!!!!

with apologies to Monty Python

Hank 






---- Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com> wrote: 
> I don't know for sure who owns this but Gottfried Leibniz's monadological 
> theory says that only the unextended (i.e. "stock" ?) are real, and that the 
> extended (i.e. "modified" ?) have no basis in reality, except as an ideal ?
> 
> Question is whether the stock Corvair is the extended version of the ideal 
> (real) or the restored Corvair is the extension of the instantiated reality 
> ?
> 
> Just a guess, but it seems to work ?
> 
> My head hurts, but if I stop thinking, will I cease to exist ?
> 
> Charlie
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <kaczmarek at charter.net>
> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:10 PM
> Subject: Re: <VV> modified vs stock: Ideal 'Cartesian' Corvairs ?
> 
> 
> > Question
> > What great prophet of Cartesian Dualism suggested that psychological 
> > phenomena can be reduced to a physical state, and insists there is no 
> > point of connection between the extended, and the unextended?
> >
> > If Charles answers correctly, he will recieve the "Grand Prize"---
> >
> > Those of you who are Python Fans, keep quiet.
> >
> > Hank
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---- Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com> wrote:
> >> There was a woman whose husband left her his antique coin collection, and
> >> while waiting for the collector to appraise, them, she polished them all
> >> nice and shiny.
> >>
> >> So maybe even "restored better than stock" while may be the "ideal" 
> >> toward
> >> which even Descartes would have strived analytically, it is not as good 
> >> as
> >> an "unmolested original" ?
> >>
> >> In other words (regarding the Cartesian reference), the perfectly 
> >> restored
> >> Corvair never actually existed, and is therefore not "real" ?
> >>
> >> Charlie
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Mark Corbin" <airvair at earthlink.net>
> >> To: <AeroNed at aol.com>; <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> >> Cc: "CORSA BoD" <corsabod at corvair.org>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:21 AM
> >> Subject: <VV> modified vs stock: World's Cheapest Corvair? AD
> >>
> >>
> >> > And I'm snickering right back at you, because, as you'll find out come
> >> > resale time, a stock antique car is (eventually) worth more than a
> >> > customized one. It's like saying that you have George Washington's
> >> > original
> >> > hatchet. But in order to keep it nice, you've had to replace the head
> >> > twice
> >> > and the handle three times. BUT IT'S STILL HIS ORIGINAL HATCHET! Yea,
> >> > right. History and originality has a value that a customize-only person
> >> > cannot possibly understand, or appreciate. It's a value that eventually
> >> > outpaces every custom job possible.
> >> >
> >> > Is it any wonder why there's a significant faction of CORSA that's
> >> > offended
> >> > by the change in the name of the Concours classes, to call the
> >> > custom/modified classes the "Improved" class. What makes you think 
> >> > every
> >> > change from stock is an "improvement", or is the Corvair so defective 
> >> > from
> >> > the factory as to require such "improvements"? Isn't that a blatent 
> >> > insult
> >> > to those who happen to actually LIKE the stock Corvair, just as it came
> >> > from the factory? I think it is, and it's why I'm one of those who 
> >> > finds
> >> > it
> >> > offensive. But then, pure customizers won't understand. They cannot
> >> > possibly understand. Which is why they (who are in control of CORSA)
> >> > refused to do anything about it. The powers that be are all 
> >> > customizers,
> >> > and incapable of understanding.
> >> >
> >> > For the record, I also happen to like custom cars as much as the next 
> >> > guy.
> >> > But I also appreciate stock cars, and I especially like to see 
> >> > unmolested
> >> > originals. They're only original once, you know. Even the best, most
> >> > exacting restoration possible (Bloomington Gold Corvette snobs aside)
> >> > can't
> >> > make it original again. Try as they will, and they will spend a fortune
> >> > trying, it's STILL a restored car. THAT is why a stock car, and 
> >> > especially
> >> > a near-perfect original, will ALWAYS eventually be worth more than a
> >> > customized one.
> >> >
> >> > I happen to own two very nice original stockers, which I appreciate
> >> > because
> >> > they ARE unmolested examples of what the factory built. They are living
> >> > history. But I just don't have enough money to own ALL the cars I'd 
> >> > like
> >> > to
> >> > have, including the customs. And BTW, what money I DO have is going 
> >> > into
> >> > making a custom LM Corvair, my "project car" as I call it.
> >> >
> >> > -Mark
> >> >
> >> >> [Original Message]
> >> >> From: <AeroNed at aol.com>
> >> >> Subject: Re: <VV> World's Cheapest Corvair? AD
> >> >>
> >> >> Mark,
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm not alone in the snickering in your direction. Even your fellow
> >> >> "stockers," you know the guy that drives an unimproved Corvair, are
> >> > laughing at
> >> >> you. We're actually happy that you (and Hank) choose to not recognize
> >> > that
> >> >> misnomer.
> >> >>
> >> >> I wonder why VV isn't a great attraction for new members to CORSA?
> >> >>
> >> >> Ned
> >> >>
> >> >> In a message dated 9/14/2010 9:52:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> >> >> airvair at earthlink.net writes:
> >> >>
> >> >> Boy, you  sure invited this one, Ned.
> >> >>
> >> >> Since ALL earlies are sedans, I could have  asked him how many doors. 
> >> >> (G)
> >> >> Just saying "sedan" does NOT indicate how  many doors. And NO, not
> >> > EVERYone
> >> >> "knows" you'd be talking about a four  door. I for one refuse to
> >> >> recognize
> >> >> that misnomer. And anyone who prides  themselves in using correct
> >> >> terminology doesn't, either. We just recognize  that we're listening 
> >> >> to a
> >> >> bunch of bumpkins, and laugh at them behind their  backs. *snicker*
> >> >>
> >> >> In the words of Bugs Bunny, "what a  maroon...."   Hehehe.....
> >> >>
> >> >> -Mark
> >> >>
> >> >> > [Original  Message]
> >> >> > From: <AeroNed at aol.com>
> >> >> > Subject: Re: <VV>  World's Cheapest Corvair? AD
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yup, that was JR in Chicago  (_hmlinc at sbcglobal.net_
> >> >> > (mailto:hmlinc at sbcglobal.net) ) and he did  say a  sedan (now I'm 
> >> >> > going
> >> > to
> >> >> get a lecture from Mark
> >> >> > about  what the real body style  name is despite the FACT that 
> >> >> > everyone
> >> >> knows
> >> >> > I'm talking about a 4 door).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Ned
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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