<VV> modified vs stock : Cartesian Comedies

Wed Sep 15 16:40:12 EDT 2010

Or John Cleese if you want to have a lot more fun with it ...

~Cz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kaczmarek at charter.net>
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: <VV> modified vs stock: Ideal 'Cartesian' Corvairs ?

> Question
> What great prophet of Cartesian Dualism suggested that psychological
> phenomena can be reduced to a physical state, and insists there is no
> point of connection between the extended, and the unextended?
>
> If Charles answers correctly, he will recieve the "Grand Prize"---
>
> Those of you who are Python Fans, keep quiet.
>
> Hank
>
>
>
>
> ---- Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com> wrote:
>> There was a woman whose husband left her his antique coin collection, and
>> while waiting for the collector to appraise, them, she polished them all
>> nice and shiny.
>>
>> So maybe even "restored better than stock" while may be the "ideal"
>> toward
>> which even Descartes would have strived analytically, it is not as good
>> as
>> an "unmolested original" ?
>>
>> In other words (regarding the Cartesian reference), the perfectly
>> restored
>> Corvair never actually existed, and is therefore not "real" ?
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mark Corbin" <airvair at earthlink.net>
>> To: <AeroNed at aol.com>; <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>> Cc: "CORSA BoD" <corsabod at corvair.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:21 AM
>> Subject: <VV> modified vs stock: World's Cheapest Corvair? AD
>>
>>
>> > And I'm snickering right back at you, because, as you'll find out come
>> > resale time, a stock antique car is (eventually) worth more than a
>> > customized one. It's like saying that you have George Washington's
>> > original
>> > hatchet. But in order to keep it nice, you've had to replace the head
>> > twice
>> > and the handle three times. BUT IT'S STILL HIS ORIGINAL HATCHET! Yea,
>> > right. History and originality has a value that a customize-only person
>> > cannot possibly understand, or appreciate. It's a value that eventually
>> > outpaces every custom job possible.
>> >
>> > Is it any wonder why there's a significant faction of CORSA that's
>> > offended
>> > by the change in the name of the Concours classes, to call the
>> > custom/modified classes the "Improved" class. What makes you think
>> > every
>> > change from stock is an "improvement", or is the Corvair so defective
>> > from
>> > the factory as to require such "improvements"? Isn't that a blatent
>> > insult
>> > to those who happen to actually LIKE the stock Corvair, just as it came
>> > from the factory? I think it is, and it's why I'm one of those who
>> > finds
>> > it
>> > offensive. But then, pure customizers won't understand. They cannot
>> > possibly understand. Which is why they (who are in control of CORSA)
>> > refused to do anything about it. The powers that be are all
>> > customizers,
>> > and incapable of understanding.
>> >
>> > For the record, I also happen to like custom cars as much as the next
>> > guy.
>> > But I also appreciate stock cars, and I especially like to see
>> > unmolested
>> > originals. They're only original once, you know. Even the best, most
>> > exacting restoration possible (Bloomington Gold Corvette snobs aside)
>> > can't
>> > make it original again. Try as they will, and they will spend a fortune
>> > trying, it's STILL a restored car. THAT is why a stock car, and
>> > especially
>> > a near-perfect original, will ALWAYS eventually be worth more than a
>> > customized one.
>> >
>> > I happen to own two very nice original stockers, which I appreciate
>> > because
>> > they ARE unmolested examples of what the factory built. They are living
>> > history. But I just don't have enough money to own ALL the cars I'd
>> > like
>> > to
>> > have, including the customs. And BTW, what money I DO have is going
>> > into
>> > making a custom LM Corvair, my "project car" as I call it.
>> >
>> > -Mark
>> >
>> >> [Original Message]
>> >> From: <AeroNed at aol.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: <VV> World's Cheapest Corvair? AD
>> >>
>> >> Mark,
>> >>
>> >> I'm not alone in the snickering in your direction. Even your fellow
>> >> "stockers," you know the guy that drives an unimproved Corvair, are
>> > laughing at
>> >> you. We're actually happy that you (and Hank) choose to not recognize
>> > that
>> >> misnomer.
>> >>
>> >> I wonder why VV isn't a great attraction for new members to CORSA?
>> >>
>> >> Ned
>> >>
>> >> In a message dated 9/14/2010 9:52:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> >> airvair at earthlink.net writes:
>> >>
>> >> Boy, you  sure invited this one, Ned.
>> >>
>> >> Since ALL earlies are sedans, I could have  asked him how many doors.
>> >> (G)
>> >> Just saying "sedan" does NOT indicate how  many doors. And NO, not
>> > EVERYone
>> >> "knows" you'd be talking about a four  door. I for one refuse to
>> >> recognize
>> >> that misnomer. And anyone who prides  themselves in using correct
>> >> terminology doesn't, either. We just recognize  that we're listening
>> >> to a
>> >> bunch of bumpkins, and laugh at them behind their  backs. *snicker*
>> >>
>> >> In the words of Bugs Bunny, "what a  maroon...."   Hehehe.....
>> >>
>> >> -Mark
>> >>
>> >> > [Original  Message]
>> >> > From: <AeroNed at aol.com>
>> >> > Subject: Re: <VV>  World's Cheapest Corvair? AD
>> >> >
>> >> > Yup, that was JR in Chicago  (_hmlinc at sbcglobal.net_
>> >> > (mailto:hmlinc at sbcglobal.net) ) and he did  say a  sedan (now I'm
>> >> > going
>> > to
>> >> get a lecture from Mark
>> >> > about  what the real body style  name is despite the FACT that
>> >> > everyone
>> >> knows
>> >> > I'm talking about a 4 door).
>> >> >
>> >> > Ned
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
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