<VV> 1962 vair

Fri Sep 3 21:14:40 EDT 2010

 I live in Reedsburg wi. I have been in touch with Mr. Ringlesetter(?). He has been a great help. I am not sure what blow by is or what causes it. Does it hurt the engine? I'd hate to change the cap and then mess something up. I do not know how to post a picture here. I do have some pics on the Corvair Center forum. I am not just dumb with Corvais I dont know anything about computers either.
          Eric

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Subject: VirtualVairs Digest, Vol 68, Issue 19
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Date: Friday, September 3, 2010, 9:48 PM

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: GM Plant/Sophisticated Tool (HallGrenn at aol.com)
   2. Re: Corvair Production (kenpepke at juno.com)
   3. Our Friend Jay:::::::::::::: (Danforth West)
   4. Hemmings 10/10 issue (kaczmarek at charter.net)
   5. Hemmings 10/10 issue (kaczmarek at charter.net)
   6. Re: Our Friend Jay:::::::::::::: (Marc Marcoulides)
   7. Re: Our Friend Jay:::::::::::::: (Harry Yarnell)
   8. 1962 vair (Eric Nelson)
   9. Re: 1962 vair (Louis Armer)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 14:26:49 EDT
From: HallGrenn at aol.com
Subject: Re: <VV> GM Plant/Sophisticated Tool
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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In a message dated 9/3/2010 12:45:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
vairologist at cox.net writes:

They  used sophisticated sensing devices, like a 2 ft screwdriver with the  
handle pressed against the ear.     ggg  

What was the Kent-Moore number of that tool--I can't find it in my  catalog.

Bob

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 20:00:50 GMT
From: "kenpepke at juno.com" <kenpepke at juno.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> Corvair Production
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Message-ID: <20100903.160050.18579.0 at webmail06.dca.untd.com>
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When I read down to your less than respectful closing line I sent your offering to the trash bin so I don't remember much of what you posted.  

Fisher Body was commissioned by Chevrolet to build the Corvair body per request of Ed Cole.   In 1957-8-9 NOBODY at GM had a clue that there would be a large market for such a product.  If they had seen such a market GM, in those before computer days, would have introduced it long before 1960.  The 10,000 or 20,000 unit projection prompted Fisher built the tooling to 'very low production' standards.  When production took off the usable life of those tools were quickly exceeded and they needed replacement ... a factor in the changes as seen in the 1961 model year.  

As far as believing GM would not build cars in such limited production numbers is NOT true.  GM has many times built specialty cars which were expected to sell in very low numbers ... Corvettes of the 50s is a well known example.  Mention of the ten year plan came to me from Frank Winchell.  The original idea was to experiment with the VW method of upgrading vehicle engineering but not changing the styling.  That line of thought went out the window as the dealers became swamped with orders.  When sales started falling off in 1963 a decision was made to build what we now know as the LM to try to bolster sales.  That plan fell far short of their expectations.  The 'ding-a-ling' market was saturated.    

You said something about GM building vehicles in year groups of threes ,,, or something like that. NOT true.   Unless perhaps you were referring to the BOP grouping of the cars.  That was a Fisher Body system only and NOT true of the rest of the corporation.  And there was something about 30,000 units to the break even point.  Also NOT true.  The break even point and cost of producing any vehicle varies greatly with the expected sales volume and is a well guarded secret known only to a hand full of people.  Anything published concerning that information is at best, a guess.

I learned many years ago the perception of history varies greatly with the perspective of the historian.  
Ken P

***************************************
"James P. Rice" <ricebugg at mtco.com> WROTE:

Ken:  Please respond to me about my material.  Tell me where I am way off.
Why?  History needs to be written correctly.  You should, I would think as a
42.7 year veteran of GM, want the history done correctly.  If you have
documentation, I and others would love to see it.

But what I wrote is not guesses.  My most recent note is a very short
summary on a couple topics in response to your specific allegations.

But I have spent many, many hours and some money researching what I have on
occasion summarized on v-v.  My sources include the writings of Richard M.
Langworth, Tony Fiore, Karl Ludvigsen, Chuck Jordan, David E. Davis, Jerry
Thompson, Gary Witzenburg, Michael Lamm, Mike Knepper, Paul Shaka, Don
Eichstaedt and Bob Helt.  At least 3 of those people have actually read my
15 pager, without substantial corrections of facts and summaries.

Who knows, maybe you know something they don't.  Enlighten me, and
eventually "us".  I'll give you credit when I get my 15 pager down to
Communique publication size.  It'll come after the articles I'm working on,
("Early Corvair Racing: 1959-1968" and "V-8 powered Corvair Race 
Cars" ie:
Ian Richardson, Frank Gardner, James Reeve, Mike Levin and maybe one or two
others I'm chasing but don't know for sure.  If John Fitch departs this life
as we know it before these get done, then they will get pushed back as I do
a tribute to one of the Greatest Generation who happens to be at the top of
my very short list of heroes.)

Historically Yours,
            James

PS:  The only question I actually asked was "Or is it April 1st in your time
and space?"  I assume it is not.

-----Original Message-----
From: kenpepke at juno.com [mailto:kenpepke at juno.com]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:47 AM
To: ricebugg at mtco.com
Subject: Re: <VV> Corvair Production

Or is it April 1st in your time and space?

Historically Yours,
                   James Rice
                   CORSA member since mid-70's
                   Former Chairman of the Competition Committee
                   Member of original CPF Advisorary Committee
                   CORSA/CPF BoD member and CPF Liaison 1999-01
                   Occasional contributor to the Communique

I will put my 42.7 years with GM Engineering up against your guesses any
time.  You are way off base on several points ... I had started to answer
your questions ... but why should I bother?
Ken P

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 16:03:28 -0400
From: "Danforth West" <bonanz01 at myfairpoint.net>
Subject: <VV> Our Friend Jay::::::::::::::
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Message-ID: <3FA2B9608481482F835489F810626050 at DanPC>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"

I just watched Jay Leno's Corsa video for about the
20th time, and I have to say I think he might have done
us an UNINTENTIONAL dis-service.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE this guy! And he loves 'Vairs!

It's just that he says two things during his WUNNERFUL
presentation which I think may have caused a problemo or
two for the rest of us......

First off, he says "I see Corvairs on E-Bay all the time for
$2,000 -- $3,000" The viewer is left to assume that you may
purchase a driver-quality Corvair in that price range, needing
no work to function daily.

Second of all, he states that you may obtain "a really nice
Corvair for UNDER $10,000". This leads the viewer to assume
that if he pays MORE than $10,000 then he is over-paying.

The upshot of all this is that potential Corvair owners are led to
believe that even a SUPERB Corvair is only rarely worth more
than $10,000.

Since his Garage segment, I have noticed a fairly large decrease
in the bids offered for even what appear to be very nice examples,
and I fear that the Public at Large seems to feel that there isn't a
Corvair on the market worth more than about Five or Six Grand or
so. I check-out E-Bay at least twice a day, and I see what appear 
to be some better-than-decent cars NOT selling and receiving what
I consider to be INSULTING bids!

I just think that the potential Corvairistas have been lead to believe
that 'Vairs ain't worth Dog Poop!

What do YOU think? 

I like Jay a lot, but I think he may have screwed-up here.................

Or am I full of it?

Oh, and no DOG in my household at present, and I don't own a "Scooper".....

And PLEEZE don't kill the Messenger, okay?

Danforth West
Bangor, Maine USA
1966 Corsa Turbo (running like a Champ)
NOT for sale any time soon..........

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 16:16:22 -0400
From: <kaczmarek at charter.net>
Subject: <VV> Hemmings 10/10 issue
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Message-ID: <20100903161622.U2XRS.8358531.root at mp11>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Folks
Just got the 10/10 issue of HMN. Page 18
American Collectibles

60-63 Corvair 700 Sedan
Obsolescence and bad news dogged Corvair's Sedan for Decades.

"Aside from the 20K Concours car, they remain some of the most charming, affordable AND UNDERRATED 60's cars on the market to day (Caps my own)

Hank 

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 16:16:29 -0400
From: <kaczmarek at charter.net>
Subject: <VV> Hemmings 10/10 issue
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Message-ID: <20100903161629.ADKPC.8358540.root at mp11>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Folks
Just got the 10/10 issue of HMN. Page 18
American Collectibles

60-63 Corvair 700 Sedan
Obsolescence and bad news dogged Corvair's Sedan for Decades.

"Aside from the 20K Concours car, they remain some of the most charming, affordable AND UNDERRATED 60's cars on the market to day (Caps my own)

Hank 

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 16:32:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Marc  Marcoulides <hharpo at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: <VV> Our Friend Jay::::::::::::::
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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IMHO The economy has more effect on the amount of any bid than Jay's opinion

-----Original Message-----
>From: Danforth West <bonanz01 at myfairpoint.net>
>Sent: Sep 3, 2010 4:03 PM
>To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>Subject: <VV> Our Friend Jay::::::::::::::
>
>I just watched Jay Leno's Corsa video for about the
>20th time, and I have to say I think he might have done
>us an UNINTENTIONAL dis-service.
>
>Don't get me wrong, I LOVE this guy! And he loves 'Vairs!
>
>It's just that he says two things during his WUNNERFUL
>presentation which I think may have caused a problemo or
>two for the rest of us......
>
>First off, he says "I see Corvairs on E-Bay all the time for
>$2,000 -- $3,000" The viewer is left to assume that you may
>purchase a driver-quality Corvair in that price range, needing
>no work to function daily.
>
>Second of all, he states that you may obtain "a really nice
>Corvair for UNDER $10,000". This leads the viewer to assume
>that if he pays MORE than $10,000 then he is over-paying.
>
>The upshot of all this is that potential Corvair owners are led to
>believe that even a SUPERB Corvair is only rarely worth more
>than $10,000.
>
>Since his Garage segment, I have noticed a fairly large decrease
>in the bids offered for even what appear to be very nice examples,
>and I fear that the Public at Large seems to feel that there isn't a
>Corvair on the market worth more than about Five or Six Grand or
>so. I check-out E-Bay at least twice a day, and I see what appear 
>to be some better-than-decent cars NOT selling and receiving what
>I consider to be INSULTING bids!
>
>I just think that the potential Corvairistas have been lead to believe
>that 'Vairs ain't worth Dog Poop!
>
>What do YOU think? 
>
>I like Jay a lot, but I think he may have screwed-up here.................
>
>Or am I full of it?
>
>Oh, and no DOG in my household at present, and I don't own a "Scooper".....
>
>And PLEEZE don't kill the Messenger, okay?
>
>Danforth West
>Bangor, Maine USA
>1966 Corsa Turbo (running like a Champ)
>NOT for sale any time soon..........
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 16:35:13 -0400
From: "Harry Yarnell" <hyarnell1 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: <VV> Our Friend Jay::::::::::::::
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Message-ID: <A878FA69798C441BBBBA21DF142DC8BC at harrydell02>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
    reply-type=original

What do I think? Its been said many times, Corvair people are cheap.
I don't think Leno's comments on price have/will affect anything. Leno's 
word isn't God.
Intelligent people will consult the marketplace pricing and the price 
guides. they will also buy with thier heart...

Harry Yarnell
Perryman Garage and Orphanage
hyarnell1 at earthlink.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Danforth West" <bonanz01 at myfairpoint.net>
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 4:03 PM
Subject: <VV> Our Friend Jay::::::::::::::

>I just watched Jay Leno's Corsa video for about the
> 20th time, and I have to say I think he might have done
> us an UNINTENTIONAL dis-service.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I LOVE this guy! And he loves 'Vairs!
>
> It's just that he says two things during his WUNNERFUL
> presentation which I think may have caused a problemo or
> two for the rest of us......
>
> First off, he says "I see Corvairs on E-Bay all the time for
> $2,000 -- $3,000" The viewer is left to assume that you may
> purchase a driver-quality Corvair in that price range, needing
> no work to function daily.
>
> Second of all, he states that you may obtain "a really nice
> Corvair for UNDER $10,000". This leads the viewer to assume
> that if he pays MORE than $10,000 then he is over-paying.
>
> The upshot of all this is that potential Corvair owners are led to
> believe that even a SUPERB Corvair is only rarely worth more
> than $10,000.
>
> Since his Garage segment, I have noticed a fairly large decrease
> in the bids offered for even what appear to be very nice examples,
> and I fear that the Public at Large seems to feel that there isn't a
> Corvair on the market worth more than about Five or Six Grand or
> so. I check-out E-Bay at least twice a day, and I see what appear
> to be some better-than-decent cars NOT selling and receiving what
> I consider to be INSULTING bids!
>
> I just think that the potential Corvairistas have been lead to believe
> that 'Vairs ain't worth Dog Poop!
>
> What do YOU think?
>
> I like Jay a lot, but I think he may have screwed-up here.................
>
> Or am I full of it?
>
> Oh, and no DOG in my household at present, and I don't own a 
> "Scooper".....
>
> And PLEEZE don't kill the Messenger, okay?
>
> Danforth West
> Bangor, Maine USA
> 1966 Corsa Turbo (running like a Champ)
> NOT for sale any time soon..........
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 14:39:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eric Nelson <a78coupe at yahoo.com>
Subject: <VV> 1962 vair
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Message-ID: <979385.56228.qm at web37103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Hi all,
?? I am new to all this so please bare with me. The guy I got the car from only had it a short while so I cannot ask him much about some of the funky things I seem to have.? Does anyone know why there is a valve of some kind in my oil cap? No hoses just this valve with 2 ports. I seem to get a small amount of oil on the engine like a lite film. Could this thing be the culprate? The car runs great or seems to anyway. Is this a major problem brewing?
?????????????????????? Thanks

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 17:48:02 -0400
From: Louis Armer <carmerjr at mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> 1962 vair
To: Eric Nelson <a78coupe at yahoo.com>
Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Message-ID: <E1Ore74-0005OO-Bx at elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

Hi Eric, Welcome to V V and the quick answer to your question is the 
oil cap is not correct. A Corvair oil cap has no ports, vents, holes 
of any sort. The proper oil cap provides a leak proof tight fit and 
there should be no seepage or fumes coming from the cap or the oil filler tube.

Chuck Armer
////////////////////////////////////////////////////

At 05:39 PM 9/3/2010, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>    I am new to all this so please bare with me. The guy I got the 
> car from only had it a short while so I cannot ask him much about 
> some of the funky things I seem to have.  Does anyone know why 
> there is a valve of some kind in my oil cap? No hoses just this 
> valve with 2 ports. I seem to get a small amount of oil on the 
> engine like a lite film. Could this thing be the culprate? The car 
> runs great or seems to anyway. Is this a major problem brewing?
>                        Thanks
>
>
>
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