<VV> Mad Men Corvair Ads
Robert Hawes
robert.hawes at mac.com
Wed Sep 1 18:54:55 EDT 2010
In the latest Hagerty's magazine author David E.Davis Jr. recounts how he changed the course of Corvair advertisements away from econo car to "Family Sports Car". Check it out!
-Bob
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> 1. Removing strud rods on LM (Tom Gould)
> 2. Re: Removing strud rods on LM (Mark Corbin)
> 3. Removing strud rods on LM (J R Read)
> 4. Re: Theoretical recommendations. (Ron)
> 5. Fwd: Vote for one of the 2 Corvairs on Jay Leno's Website
> Classi Contest (Louis Armer)
> 6. desert air package, was: Theoretical recommendations.
> (Mark Corbin)
> 7. Dual Master install - Additional valve (Sethracer at aol.com)
> 8. Re: Fwd: Vote for one of the 2 Corvairs on Jay Leno's Website
> Classi Contest (Jim Houston)
> 9. Re: Dual Master install - Additional valve (kaczmarek at charter.net)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:23:32 -0400
> From: "Tom Gould" <tgould at hargray.com>
> Subject: <VV> Removing strud rods on LM
> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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> After much procrastination, I decide to tackle replacing the strut rods on my 66 with Clarks rebuilts. The nuts came off OK. But, the bolts do not want to budge. There isn't much rust on the nut end (car has not been street driven since 1976). Is there some trick or are we just talking lots of fluid and a bigger hammer?
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:22:28 -0400
> From: "Mark Corbin" <airvair at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Removing strud rods on LM
> To: "Tom Gould" <tgould at hargray.com>, virtualvairs at corvair.org
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> If you're talking about the rear lower transverse strut rods in the LM rear
> suspension, be advised that they are under a twisting load thru most of
> their travel. Take the four bolts loose at the differential case first. You
> may need to use the floor jack under the strut near the rear wheel in order
> to level the suspension enough to make unbolting easier. Then pry the
> bottom of the tire out so that the attach bracket comes free from the diff.
> THEN you should be able to slip the strut attach bolts out.
>
> -Mark
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Tom Gould <tgould at hargray.com>
>> Subject: <VV> Removing strud rods on LM
>>
>> After much procrastination, I decide to tackle replacing the strut rods
> on my 66 with Clarks rebuilts. The nuts came off OK. But, the bolts do not
> want to budge. There isn't much rust on the nut end (car has not been
> street driven since 1976). Is there some trick or are we just talking lots
> of fluid and a bigger hammer?
>>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:34:38 -0500
> From: "J R Read" <hmlinc at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: <VV> Removing strud rods on LM
> To: "VirtualVairs AA" <VirtualVairs at corvair.org>
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>
> Take them down from the diff end first. Getting them off is easy compared
> to the installation. If not a SHOW car, that takes a pipe wrench and two
> people.
> Later, JR
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tom Gould" <tgould at hargray.com>
>> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:23 AM
>> Subject: <VV> Removing strud rods on LM
>>
>>
>>> After much procrastination, I decide to tackle replacing the strut rods
>>> on my 66 with Clarks rebuilts. The nuts came off OK. But, the bolts do
>>> not want to budge. There isn't much rust on the nut end (car has not been
>>> street driven since 1976). Is there some trick or are we just talking
>>> lots of fluid and a bigger hammer?
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> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 11:36:11 -0700
> From: "Ron" <ronh at owt.com>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Theoretical recommendations.
> To: "Charles Fregeau" <n5hsr at sprynet.com>, <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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> If you have an oil bath air cleaner it is the optional desert cleaner which
> is rare so don't toss it out. The early standard air cleaner works just
> fine and is easier to maintain than the oil bath one.
> Corvair never had a cartridge oil filter.
> Corvair never used a cast iron fan.
> RonH
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles Fregeau" <n5hsr at sprynet.com>
> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: <VV> Theoretical recommendations.
>
>
>> Some of the things I've found out about so far:
>>
>> 1. The mechanic was overtightening the belt.
>> 2. There were, although we didn't know it, replacement body pans to better
>> fix the floorpan problem.
>> 3. Viton o-rings.
>> 4. A good 10W-30 oil would have helped. Maybe 10W-40 in the summer and
>> 5W-30 in winter.
>> 5. Maybe in later years replacing the early 62 cast iron fan, with the
>> later
>> lighter cooling fan.
>>
>> Also, has anybody replaced an earlier oil cooler with a later one for
>> better
>> oil cooling?
>> How about replacing the 'oil-bath' air cleaners with somewhat more modern
>> ones, and replacing the air intake with the later single filter air
>> intake?
>> If I remember correctly, we had a cartridge type oil filter, not a spin-on
>> at the time, too. Dad never did his own work and the most he let me do to
>> it was drive it, change the wiper blades when needed and the license
>> plates
>> once a year. Oh, and change the 'snow tires' over in the spring. (We had
>> 7
>> wheels altogether, the 4 on the car, the spare in the engine compartment
>> and
>> two with 'mudgrip/snow tires' on them.
>>
>> Charles Fregeau
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org
>> [mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of Charles Fregeau
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:43 PM
>> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>> Subject: <VV> Theoretical recommendations.
>>
>> We used to own a 62 700 coupe that was probably scrapped by the person we
>> sold it to for parts sometime in 1975.
>>
>>
>>
>> I want to know what we might have been able to do to save it.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. Body was losing ground at the rear left turn signal. Sometimes
>> the left turn signal would light up but not blink.
>>
>> 2. Valves had been 'reground' once at 41,000 and supposedly needed
>> it
>> again at 94,000. I've never heard of anybody else grinding the valves in
>> their Corvair.
>>
>> 3. Front passenger floor pan had been patched twice.
>>
>> 4. Was beginning to develop the infamous 60's GM wheel well rust.
>>
>> 5. Found out later part of our problems were that Dad used Kendall
>> 20-20W year round in southern Illinois, where the temps ran from -20 to
>> 100
>> and yes it was driven on the highway.
>>
>> 6. On Halloween 1971, someone cut one of the hoses to the vacuum
>> shifting valve? on the Powerglide transmission and loosened the oil pan to
>> within half a turn of the nuts falling off and of course broke the seal.
>>
>> 7. Also sometime in 1974, a gas station that we had been using for
>> years accidentally put diesel fuel in the gasoline tank and we got about
>> half a tank full. We had to have the gas tank removed and cleaned, the
>> fuel
>> lines blown clean, and the carberettors cleaned out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Assume money is no object.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a 1962 700 coupe. 80 hp, Powerglide 938 Adobe Beige, red
>> interior,
>> 2 speed wipers and washer and backup lights and left outside mirror. No
>> gas
>> heater. We also had to replace the generator bracket once because a
>> mechanic overtightened the belts and the stress cracked the bracket. (We
>> used to have to replace the belts every 6 months anyway.) Up through that
>> point, the vehicle had had two owners:
>>
>>
>>
>> 17 December 1961-1 July 1970 My Uncle Bill, who had originally bought the
>> car for his wife to use.
>>
>> 1 July 1970 - 4 December 1974 Dad
>>
>>
>>
>> There were no other Corvair owners around us at the time, and we didn't as
>> yet know about any of the Corvair clubs. I would have expected they
>> wouldn't want to deal with a daily driver in those days anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> I learned about using a proper multi-weight oil as soon as I owned my own
>> car. I never actually owned the Corvair, just learned to drive on it.
>> Had
>> we not had to sell it, it might have been my first car to own.
>>
>>
>>
>> Charles Fregeau
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 14:39:16 -0400
> From: Louis Armer <carmerjr at mindspring.com>
> Subject: <VV> Fwd: Vote for one of the 2 Corvairs on Jay Leno's
> Website Classi Contest
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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>> THESE HUDSON GUYS ARE TOUGH ................ VOTE AND VOTE OFTEN
>> ....................... OUR 50 YEAR PRIDE IS AT STAKE ................
> CHUCK ARMER
> ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
>
>
>
>> Don't let the Hudson club beat us!!
>>
>>
>> http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/photos/pick-your-favorite-classic/5781
>>
>>
>> Matt Nall
>> Charleston, Oregon
>> http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/reswr0kp/
>>
>>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:48:12 -0400
> From: "Mark Corbin" <airvair at earthlink.net>
> Subject: <VV> desert air package, was: Theoretical recommendations.
> To: "Ron" <ronh at owt.com>, "Charles Fregeau" <n5hsr at sprynet.com>,
> virtualvairs at corvair.org
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> The oil bath air cleaner was part of the '65-6 "desert air cleaner" option,
> but was also a separate option on virtually every model and engine
> combination, including FC's and turbos. Some oil bath and "standard" air
> cleaner parts used with the "desert air cleaner" package were different
> from other oil bath parts, which makes them even rarer.
>
> For sake of information, the "desert air cleaner" package consisted of not
> only the oil bath, but also a shrouding that closed off the standard cowl
> air intake for the engine, and directed all the air into the fan below the
> "turkey roaster" top shroud, in a similar manner as the '65 a/c cars had
> for the condensor core. Just what the engineers were trying to accomplish
> is a mystery to this day.
>
> -Mark
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Ron <ronh at owt.com>
>> Subject: Re: <VV> Theoretical recommendations.
>>
>> If you have an oil bath air cleaner it is the optional desert cleaner
> which
>> is rare so don't toss it out. The early standard air cleaner works just
>> fine and is easier to maintain than the oil bath one.
>>
>> RonH
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Charles Fregeau" <n5hsr at sprynet.com>
>> Subject: Re: <VV> Theoretical recommendations.
>>
>>>
>>> How about replacing the 'oil-bath' air cleaners with somewhat more
> modern
>>> ones, and replacing the air intake with the later single filter air
>>> intake?
>>>
>>> Charles Fregeau
>>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:06:13 EDT
> From: Sethracer at aol.com
> Subject: <VV> Dual Master install - Additional valve
> To: bryan at skiblack.com, virtualvairs at corvair.org
> Message-ID: <161ed.4ffb3782.39affe25 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/1/2010 9:59:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> bryan at skiblack.com writes:
>
> BTW, all of the conversions I've seen omit the shuttle valve. If it turns
> out that it's required we'll need to find a source for them.
>
> --Bryan
>
>
>
> Master Power Brakes _www.mpbrakes.com_ (http://www.mpbrakes.com) has a
> good selection of different types of valves. They specialize in Disc/Drum
> set-ups, so I didn't see a Drum/Drum setting, but the VL3350 can be set for
> disc/drum or Disc Disc - The disc/disc setting would probably be best. This
> valve acts as a distribution unit, a front/rear bias valve, and the shuttle
> valve switch for the dual system failure indicator light.
>
>
>
>
> Seth Emerson
>
> C's the Day! - Corvair, Camaro, Corvette
> San Jose, CA
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 15:13:34 -0400
> From: Jim Houston <jhouston001 at cfl.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Fwd: Vote for one of the 2 Corvairs on Jay Leno's
> Website Classi Contest
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> Message-ID: <4C7EA5DE.6040407 at cfl.rr.com>
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> Just voted.. current top 5 : 1-Corvair Corsa 2-Corvair Rampside
> 3-Hudson 1951 4-Hudson 1953 5-Ford Galaxie 1966
>
> Jim Houston
>
> On 9/1/2010 2:39 PM, Louis Armer wrote:
>>> THESE HUDSON GUYS ARE TOUGH ................ VOTE AND VOTE OFTEN
>>> ....................... OUR 50 YEAR PRIDE IS AT STAKE ................
>> CHUCK ARMER
>> ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
>>
>>
>>
>>> Don't let the Hudson club beat us!!
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/photos/pick-your-favorite-classic/5781
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt Nall
>>> Charleston, Oregon
>>> http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/reswr0kp/
>>>
>>>
>> CORSA Member
>> Corvanatics Member
>> Corvair Atlanta Director
>> 1965 Corsa Coupe
>> 1964 Greenbrier
>> http://darthvair.com
>> SECC Member
>> 1965 Corsa Autocross car 1/2 owner
>> http://www.wtbrt.com/
>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:17:45 -0400
> From: <kaczmarek at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Dual Master install - Additional valve
> To: Sethracer at aol.com, virtualvairs at corvair.org, bryan at skiblack.com
> Message-ID: <20100901151745.CHADS.10687627.root at mp17>
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> Master Power Brakes is a good company with an excellent selection. They're about 12 miles from where I work, and I've done business with them over the years from dealerships where I worked. You'll get what you pay for. If they don't show what you need, it would be wise to ask. They're pretty innovative.
>
> Hank
>
> ---- Sethracer at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 9/1/2010 9:59:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> bryan at skiblack.com writes:
>>
>> BTW, all of the conversions I've seen omit the shuttle valve. If it turns
>> out that it's required we'll need to find a source for them.
>>
>> --Bryan
>>
>>
>>
>> Master Power Brakes _www.mpbrakes.com_ (http://www.mpbrakes.com) has a
>> good selection of different types of valves. They specialize in Disc/Drum
>> set-ups, so I didn't see a Drum/Drum setting, but the VL3350 can be set for
>> disc/drum or Disc Disc - The disc/disc setting would probably be best. This
>> valve acts as a distribution unit, a front/rear bias valve, and the shuttle
>> valve switch for the dual system failure indicator light.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Seth Emerson
>>
>> C's the Day! - Corvair, Camaro, Corvette
>> San Jose, CA
>>
>>
>>
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