<VV> Cylinder head temp gauge option
Mark Durham
62vair at gmail.com
Wed Sep 1 12:35:31 EDT 2010
Michael, yes, there are 6 cyl units, very expensive, thru several guage
companies. Stewart Warner, for one, go to Aircraft Spruce and Specialty is
another source.
Mark Durham
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Michael Weary <michael_j_weary at hotmail.com
> wrote:
> What about one nice gauge with a rocker switch to go front one cylinder to
> another, and work on oil temp, and oil pressure as well
>
> Sent from my iPhone... this thing is awesome
>
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> > 1. Re: Head Temp Gauge using spark plug (Charles Lee)
> > 2. Re: Startup::::::::::::::::::::: (Ron)
> > 3. Re: 1967 Monza update : Car needs to run, stop, and steer
> > first + KROIL ? (Dennis Pleau)
> > 4. collector car software (Robert Hawes)
> > 5. Re: Carter YH choke "blink" (BobHelt at aol.com)
> > 6. Re: Head Temp Gauge(s) for Corvair @ 500+ degrees ? (Matt Nall)
> > 7. Very Nice Dune Buggy FS from front cover of April 2005
> > Communique (Brent Fullard)
> > 8. Re: valve adjustment (Mark Durham)
> > 9. Re: Head Temp Gauge using spark plug (Mark Durham)
> > 10. Re: Carter YH choke "blink" (Doug Mackintosh)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:15:41 -0700
> > From: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
> > Subject: Re: <VV> Head Temp Gauge using spark plug
> > To: "virtualvairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> > Message-ID: <0CD1871483F04C88AE6D2C71790F4ADE at DellMusicPC>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=response
> >
> > Now, that's clever !
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <dpross1342 at aol.com>
> > To: <chaz at properproper.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 4:12 PM
> > Subject: Head Temp Gauge
> >
> >
> > I saw your note in VirtualVairs. I use two head temp gauges (VDO), one
> for
> > each side. Simple installation, once you get the wiring to the
> > dash. Just a ring under a spark plug....use the same plug location for
> each
> > side.
> >
> > Don Rossbach
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:38:16 -0700
> > From: "Ron" <ronh at owt.com>
> > Subject: Re: <VV> Startup:::::::::::::::::::::
> > To: "Danforth West" <bonanz01 at myfairpoint.net>,
> > <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> > Message-ID: <5C87E150235D411ABB9860CEC7D76E38 at YOUR76500D519C>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Isn't that the way the owners manual tells you to use? If so, how could
> you
> > "discover" it?
> > RonH
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Danforth West" <bonanz01 at myfairpoint.net>
> > To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 3:09 PM
> > Subject: <VV> Startup:::::::::::::::::::::
> >
> >
> >> I've discovered I can use the same startup procedure
> >> on my 66 Turbo that I use on my '41 Packard 120.
> >>
> >> This is, I put the accelerator pedal to the floor briefly
> >> and then release it. Then I simply turn the key without
> >> touching the "GO" pedal at all, and the car starts right
> >> up like a Champ! (.....NOT "Chimp"!!!!). Of course, the
> >> Packard has a starter button, but you know what I mean......
> >>
> >> I know I'm probably just setting the choke and giving a
> >> squirt to the carb with this method.........
> >>
> >> My only question is, am I doing it wrong or causing any
> >> problems by doing it this way?
> >>
> >> Car seems to LUV being started in this fashion.........
> >>
> >> And I certainly LUV starting up my new car!
> >>
> >> It was HOT today in Bangor -- over 90F -- but it didn't stay
> >> on high idle for more than 30 seconds.....
> >>
> >> Right down to 800 or fewer RPMs very quickly.
> >>
> >> Looking forward to CLARK'S in just a little while!
> >>
> >> Dan West
> >> Bangor, Maine USA
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:58:21 -0700
> > From: "Dennis Pleau" <dpleau at wavecable.com>
> > Subject: Re: <VV> 1967 Monza update : Car needs to run, stop, and
> > steer first + KROIL ?
> > To: "'virtualvairs'" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> > Message-ID: <00f801cb47d6$0fba9290$2f2fb7b0$@com>
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> >
> > WD 40 is a rust preventer. KROIL is a penetrating oil. Apples and
> > kumquats.
> >
> > dp
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org
> > [mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of Charles Lee
> > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 4:14 PM
> > To: virtualvairs
> > Subject: Re: <VV> 1967 Monza update : Car needs to run, stop, and steer
> > first + KROIL ?
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > Has anyone had experience with KROIL, a WD-40 substitute that is as much
> > better as it is more expensive ?
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:43:19 -0400
> > From: Robert Hawes <robert.hawes at mac.com>
> > Subject: <VV> collector car software
> > To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> > Message-ID: <403A06CB-CA20-4A2B-98D8-A43DF2FF6165 at mac.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
> >
> > Saw a notice on a Social Networking site for this product:
> >
> > http://www.collectorcarcompanion.com/index.php
> >
> > Purports to help organize your old car project. I have not tried it
> > nor do I endorse it, but seems to fit the needs expressed here about
> > inventory and project planning for our favorite car!
> >
> > Bob Hawes
> > 65 Monza 140 PG
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:43:18 EDT
> > From: BobHelt at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: <VV> Carter YH choke "blink"
> > To: dougmackintosh at yahoo.com
> > Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> > Message-ID: <89084.218454e7.39ac58a6 at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> >
> >
> > Doug,
> > Something doesn't sound right. Once the engine is warm, the coil is out
> of
> > play and the vacuum holds the pull-off and the choke open. Now if an
> > acceleration is called for, yes the vacuum lowers and the pull-off is not
> held
> > as before, but the choke remains open since the plate is off center and
> the
> > airflow (and increased airflow) keeps the plate fully open. so I don't
> see
> > how a blink, or much of one, can occur.
> >
> > However during warm up, the choke plate is held open by the pull-off
> until
> > the coil further opens the plate. if however, the engine is accelerated
> at
> > this time the pull-off will allow the choke to slightly close because of
> > the lower vacuum. At the same time the choke plate will counteract this
> by
> > tipping slightly open because of the increased airflow, thus likely
> > preventing a blink. Maybe this can cause a cough????
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bob Helt
> >
> > In a message dated 8/29/2010 2:15:08 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> > dougmackintosh at yahoo.com writes:
> >
> > As to why I think the blink happens when the choke is fully open, in a
> VV
> > response to a query about a cough on acceleration, Craig Nicol said
> > "Acceleration enrichment in the YH happens through the usual accelerator
> pump
> > squirt, but that is the secondary system. The primary system is the
> choke
> > plate, which for lack of a better term, "Blinks" for a moment when the
> engine
> > vacuum drops at the sudden opening of the throttle. After that, the pump
> > shot occurs, which continues the enrichment." I don't think there was any
> > suggestion that either the problem or the cause were restricted to cold
> engine
> > conditions.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:48:12 -0400
> > From: Matt Nall <patiomatt at aol.com>
> > Subject: Re: <VV> Head Temp Gauge(s) for Corvair @ 500+ degrees ?
> > To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> > Message-ID: <8CD15F428573557-26AC-19E79 at Webmail-d103.sysops.aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Padgett (down in Florida) installed a CHT twin gauge that showed both
> > cylinders. Don't remember which gauge now, but it was a nice setup.
> >
> > Bob Hall
> >
> > ======================================================================
> >
> >
> > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/in/chtgauges_falcon.html
> >
> >
> > This is the one I've recommended for years.... and best price!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt Nall
> > Charleston, Oregon
> > http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/reswr0kp/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:59:58 -0400
> > From: Brent Fullard <brent.fullard at rogers.com>
> > Subject: <VV> Very Nice Dune Buggy FS from front cover of April 2005
> > Communique
> > To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> > Message-ID: <C8A07ACE.542FB%brent.fullard at rogers.com<C8A07ACE.542FB%25brent.fullard at rogers.com>
> >
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> >
> > No affiliation:
> >
> >
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190433245573&v
> > iewitem=
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 18:58:53 -0700
> > From: Mark Durham <62vair at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: <VV> valve adjustment
> > To: shortle <shortle556 at earthlink.net>
> > Cc: Chris & Bill Strickland <lechevrier at earthlink.net>,
> > virtualvairs at corvair.org
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > Hi all, Actually, both are correct. However, I remember my Corvair
> mechanic
> > telling me years ago, back in the late 60's when he was replacing a wheel
> > bearing for me, that it was originally just a cold lash adjustment,
> however,
> > Chevrolet had problems with that and went to the more accurate hot
> > adjustment because people had a hard time telling where zero lash was
> cold
> > and without the engine running. It may have contributed to burnt valves.
> My
> > 62 I got in 1967 with 44K miles on it had burnt valves. I did a valve job
> > and it ran great to over 100K miles.
> >
> > However, Its pretty easy to back the lifter off and listen for the
> clatter
> > that follows, then turn in until it stops, then adjust in 1/4 turn at a
> > time.
> >
> > There is nothing wrong with a cold adjustment as long as you follow the
> > rules.
> > The older lifters gave you a wider range, so if you were 1/2 or 1/4 turn
> > off, it really did not matter much.
> >
> > However, the mechanic said the best way was to do the hot adjustment and
> he
> > had valve covers cut just for the job, (which I later borrowed from
> > him)which stopped most of the oil leakage.
> >
> > Mark Durham
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 10:11 AM, shortle <shortle556 at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I thought I was doing it correctly by following the 1961 factory manual.
> >> Rather it works well for me. I usually only turn in 1/2 turn though
> after no
> >> lash.
> >> Timothy Shortle in (quiet lifter) Durango Colorado
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Chris & Bill Strickland <lechevrier at earthlink.net>
> >>> Sent: Aug 29, 2010 12:46 PM
> >>> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> >>> Subject: Re: <VV> valve adjustment
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> But, if I'm not mistaken cold adjust is the place to start only if
> >> you're so far off that it's necessary to find the 'start point' ?
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>> I'd agree -- on a new rebuild, you have to get the valves adjusted
> close
> >>> enough to get the cold engine to start, so that you can then adjust the
> >>> valves hot.
> >>>
> >>> Not that it pertains to Corvairs, but I prefer to adjust solid lifter
> >>> engines hot & running, too. Hard on feeler gauges, but works rather
> >>> well. That's what pressure washers are for -- cleaning up the mess.
> >>>
> >>> A dynamic adjustment will always be superior to a static adjustment --
> >>> the doing of it is open to debate.
> >>>
> >>> Bill Strickland
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:06:18 -0700
> > From: Mark Durham <62vair at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: <VV> Head Temp Gauge using spark plug
> > To: Charles Lee <Chaz at properproper.com>
> > Cc: virtualvairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> > Message-ID:
> > <AANLkTikOzfrMQ-Wf_RLd7KiAzHjLFXP4WG7XR54u61oq at mail.gmail.com>
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> >
> > This style is used frequently for older, meaning 1930's and 40's and 50's
> > aircraft. They are not as accurate as the screw in type and will not read
> > the same, either.
> >
> > It should run hotter there at the spark plug, considering at the spark
> plug
> > tip is where the flame starts and flows across the chamber.
> >
> > Mark Durham
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Charles Lee <Chaz at properproper.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Now, that's clever !
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <dpross1342 at aol.com>
> >> To: <chaz at properproper.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 4:12 PM
> >> Subject: Head Temp Gauge
> >>
> >>
> >> I saw your note in VirtualVairs. I use two head temp gauges (VDO), one
> for
> >> each side. Simple installation, once you get the wiring to the
> >> dash. Just a ring under a spark plug....use the same plug location for
> each
> >> side.
> >>
> >> Don Rossbach
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 02:06:59 +0000 (GMT)
> > From: Doug Mackintosh <dougmackintosh at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: <VV> Carter YH choke "blink"
> > To: BobHelt at aol.com
> > Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> > Message-ID: <302447.85420.qm at web26407.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > Here is what I observed on my?daughter's Spyder (air cleaner?element
> removed, no
> > load):
> >
> > Before warm up: When throttle is opened quickly, the choke plate closes
> > slightly, then returns to former position.
> > After warm up: Choke is wide open; when thrtottle is opened?quickly,
> the?choke
> > plate stays wide open.
> > ?-- Doug Mackintosh
> > Corsa member since 1996
> > Corsa/NC member since 1996, Virtual Vairs member
> > Corvair owner 1969-1971 and 1996-on
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "BobHelt at aol.com" <BobHelt at aol.com>
> > To: dougmackintosh at yahoo.com
> > Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> > Sent: Sun, 29 August, 2010 20:43:18
> > Subject: Re: <VV> Carter YH choke "blink"
> >
> >
> >
> > Doug,
> > Something doesn't sound right. Once the engine is warm, the coil is out
> of play
> > and the vacuum holds the pull-off and the choke open. Now if an
> acceleration is
> > called for, yes the vacuum lowers and the pull-off is not held as before,
> but
> > the choke remains open since the plate is off center and the airflow (and
> > increased airflow)?keeps the plate fully open. so I don't see how a
> blink, or
> > much of one, can occur.?
> >
> > However during warm up, the choke plate is held open by the pull-off
> until the
> > coil further opens the plate. if however, the engine is accelerated at
> this time
> > the pull-off will allow the choke to slightly close?because of the lower
> vacuum.
> > At the same time the choke plate will counteract this by tipping slightly
> open
> > because of the increased airflow, thus likely preventing a blink. Maybe
> this can
> > cause a cough????
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bob Helt?
> >
> > In a message dated 8/29/2010 2:15:08 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> > dougmackintosh at yahoo.com writes:
> > As to why I think the blink happens when the choke is fully open, in a VV
> > response to a query about a cough on acceleration, Craig Nicol said
> > "Acceleration enrichment in the YH happens through the usual accelerator
> pump
> > squirt, but that is the secondary system.? The primary system is the
> choke
> > plate, which for lack of a better term, "Blinks" for a moment when the
> engine
> > vacuum drops at the sudden opening of the throttle. After that, the pump
> shot
> > occurs, which continues the enrichment." I don't think there was any
> suggestion
> > that either the problem or the cause were restricted to cold engine
> conditions.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
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