<VV> Is VV messing with me ?

Mon Oct 18 17:26:23 EDT 2010

And I got a message saying one of my messages was too long, and to shorten
it, and it was shrter than the one you listed here, Charlie.  Sorry, you are
probably getting inundated. I liked the pictures you did, great work.  Mark
Durham

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Frank Ness <aircoolvair at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Charles,
>
> You should have received at least two of the same message for sure. They
> sent
> one to you. They CC VV. That is the second one. The same way you will be
> getting  two copies of this email. That is why you see people post now and
> again
> to strip everything but VV out of the to: and cc; header.
>
>
> Short story long.... no, VV is not messing with you.
>
> Regards,
> Frank
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
> To: Mark Durham <62vair at gmail.com>; Michael Kovacs <kovacsmj at sbcglobal.net
> >
> Cc: VV <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Sent: Sat, October 16, 2010 9:12:07 PM
> Subject: <VV> Is VV messing with me ?
>
> Is VV messing with me ?
>
> This is the 3rd (!!!) time I got this message, first at 11:42 AM (from Mark
> and Mike), then at 6:16 PM (from just Mark), and now again at 8:17 PM (from
> Mark and Mike again).
>
> Looks like exactly the same message, three times now ?
>
> Weird !
>
> Charlie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Durham" <62vair at gmail.com>
> To: "Michael Kovacs" <kovacsmj at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at properproper.com>; "VV" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 11:42 AM
> Subject: Re: <VV> Diagnose engine "knock" ? valve seat damage
>
>
> > MIke is right, should have mentioned that if you have 0 compression that
> > usually is a stuck or burned valve or piston/ring damage.
> > Since you have the head off, lock down the cylinders by putting some
> tight
> > fitting hose on the head studs and pull the other plugs and pull the
> > engine
> > through so you can see the condition of the cylinder walls, one at a
> time.
> > Compare them. . Wear will show up more at the top where there may be a
> > difference between where the rings run and at the top where they don't.
> > Clean that with some crocus cloth to get any carbon off and see if there
> > is
> > a ridge there. Look closely at the three piston heads. You had one with
> no
> > compression, two with compression. Look for deep vertical scratches in
> the
> > cylinder wall (broken ring) damage to the head, difference in the
> > coloring,
> > amount of carbon?
> >
> > Also a cylinder using oil will usually coke up on the valve stems and
> back
> > of the valves. I would think the cylinder with low compression would have
> > more, as it probably has been using more oil longer, but if the engine is
> > old, all three (six) would be that way.
> > Got a digital camera? Take a picture and post it for us.
> > Off to build shelves in my daughters garage.
> >
> > Mark Durham
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Michael Kovacs
> > <kovacsmj at sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> >
> >> Charlie,
> >>  You need a valve remover tool. Just keep track of which valve goes
> >> where.
> >> Don't
> >> loose the keepers. A smack with a mallet will sometimes loosen up on the
> >> keepers
> >> that wont let go of.  You can check the valve looseness by just pushing
> >> the
> >> valve back into the guide. It may take a good machine shop to really
> >> check
> >> this
> >> condition. Hope you just need a valve seat cleaning and a regrind.
> >>
> >> You can check for valve leakage by reinserting both valves in the head
> >> and
> >> adding some light oil like kerosene to the head to see where any
> >> potential
> >> leakage is. O in # 3? I cant see why.
> >>
> >>  Hope others will add to this basic stuff. Where do you live? Any
> >> experienced
> >> corvair people near you?MIKE KOVACS
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
> >> To: shortle <shortle556 at earthlink.net>; virtualvairs at corvair.org
> >> Sent: Sat, October 16, 2010 1:35:34 AM
> >> Subject: Re: <VV> Diagnose engine "knock" ? valve seat damage
> >>
> >> Wow !  I would have bet that # 3 would have an obvious indication of
> >> valve
> >> seat damage, but it does not show any valve seat displacement ?
> >>
> >>
> www.yourbuyersinn.com/Cars/Corvair/1967MonzaCylinderHeadRemoval.htm#CombustionChambers
> >>s
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm still convinced that #3 vale seat was the cause of my "knocking"
> when
> >> the engine wasn't even warm enough to do that ?
> >> Would the area around the valve be worn if the seat was loose ?
> >>
> >> The combustion chamber is wet though and the top of # 1 and # 5 are
> chock
> >> full of carbon, probably from messing with the carburetors, trying to
> get
> >> them right.
> >>
> >> Any ideas ?  I've never removed valves before, so what do I need to know
> >> that will surprise me if I try this ?
> >>
> >> Thanks again guys !
> >> Charlie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "shortle" <shortle556 at earthlink.net>
> >> To: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at ProperProper.com>; <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> >> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 5:41 AM
> >> Subject: Re: <VV> Diagnose engine "knock" ?
> >>
> >>
> >> > Odds: Even money. Did you have good compression in all 6 cylinders
> >> > before
> >> > you replaced the parking brake cable?
> >> > Timothy Shortle in Durango Colorado
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> >>From: Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
> >> >>Sent: Oct 15, 2010 12:43 AM
> >> >>To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> >> >>Subject: <VV> Diagnose engine "knock" ?
> >> >>
> >> >>What are the odds that I'll find a dislodged valve seat on #3 ?
> >> >>
> >> >>Charlie
> >> >>
> >>
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