<VV> Fuel

Sun Oct 3 13:58:23 EDT 2010

Well, it happened twice in the last two months, once being yesterday  
(once on level ground, once on the incline).  Actually, it probably  
wasn't that it had too little fuel, it may not have had any fuel at  
all. Remember it was parked with the tank facing downhill with about  
2-3 gallons of fuel. My gas cap is vented as it has Anti-Surge /  
Vented printed on it.  The ground is a possibility, but I have the  
ground to body firmly attached to the bolt that secures the heater  
hose support bracket.  Also, remember, the pump was actually running  
(thumpity-thump) throughout this whole episode, so... probably not an  
electric circuit issue.

Thanks for helping out.

Stephen

On Oct 3, 2010, at 12:36 PM, BBRT wrote:

> First of all, you need venting. Modern cars have a closed system  
> with return from gas tank to charcoal filter that has a vacuum line  
> form manifold to draw fumes.  You don't have that.  Yes, it oculd be  
> simple like to little fuel, BUT, you said it has been going on for  
> two months. Was the hose/line open up until the two months? Little  
> wasps and other bugs get in and leave stuff.... the only other thing  
> might be an intermittent electrical connection like a ground.. even  
> within pump..
>
> C
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Upham" <contactsmu at sbcglobal.net 
> >
> To: "BBRT" <chsadek at comcast.net>
> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 12:40 PM
> Subject: Re: <VV> 51 Anniversary
>
>
>> I have a new ultimate tank and filler tube from Cal that I Red Cote'd
>> and so that rubber line should be just about pristine to the tunnel
>> line.  The hose in the rear that connects the tunnel tube, filter,
>> pump, regulator combination to the metal line though the firewall is
>> also new.  It could have something in it as  it was disconnected on
>> the floor for six weeks, but I did blow them out with an air hose,
>> so...  Anyway, I'll definitely check that out when I move to the
>> front.   As far as the vented cap, I believe that mine is vented.  If
>> that were the problem, then I could not have driven it for the last
>> five years without this problem constantly showing up.  This is a
>> problem that has just started in the last two months.  Just let me  
>> ask
>> as I seem to be hearing two different versions, an electric pump  
>> needs
>> a vented cap, a sealed cap, or it doesn't make any difference.  Since
>> the tank line is at the bottom of the tank (just got an idea... since
>> the tank was facing downhill and only had about a 1/5 of a tank left,
>> perhaps the feeder line from the tank was exposed to air in the tank
>> and the pump sucked up the air into the gas line... thoughts?)
>>
>> Stephen
>> On Oct 3, 2010, at 11:15 AM, BBRT wrote:
>>
>>> I sounds like to me you have a piece of crud momentarily blocking
>>> the pick up hole or the hose forward of pump is old/collapsed or has
>>> some type of dirt in it. Could be on other side, too. If you can,
>>> trying blowing back thru fuel line form eng compartment withOUT pump
>>> connected. One last remote possibility. These gas tank caps are
>>> vented. Could you have one that is partially vented or not vented
>>> but doesn't seal well..so it works and doesn't?
>>> Good Luck
>>>
>>> Chuck S
>>> BBRT
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Upham" <contactsmu at sbcglobal.net
>>> >
>>> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 12:09 PM
>>> Subject: <VV> 51 Anniversary
>>>
>>>
>>>> I reattached the electric fuel pump in its original location on the
>>>> rail above the driver's rear wheel last weekend in order to run the
>>>> gas out of the tank before attempting to change the location to the
>>>> front.  I drove it yesterday to the monthly NTCA meeting in Irving,
>>>> Tx. which is a 40 mile round trip on the expressway.  It was my  
>>>> first
>>>> chance to attend a meeting in six months. That was so much fun  
>>>> after
>>>> passing by it on jackstands for the last six weeks.  It ran
>>>> flawlessly.  Well, it ran flawlessly until I got home.  I backed it
>>>> up
>>>> to put in the child car seats to take the family to the park.  My
>>>> driveway has an uphill slant into the garage, and I mistakenly  
>>>> backed
>>>> into position on the slant.  It idled for about three minutes  
>>>> before
>>>> it just died.  I let it roll across the alley to the neighbor's  
>>>> level
>>>> driveway in order to allow the pump to refill the bowls.  The pump
>>>> ran
>>>> and ran, but the bowls apparently never filled as there was no gas
>>>> going to the venturi.  I tried to get the car to start for the next
>>>> thirty minutes.  The pump ran continuously but gas never got to the
>>>> carbs.  I tapped on the carbs with a rubber hammer to unstick the
>>>> floats.  Finally, I just got on top of the rear quarter panel  
>>>> with my
>>>> hands and bounced the car up and down.  It immediately stopped the
>>>> loud "filling" pumping sound and made the lower "full line" pumping
>>>> sound. It started right up.  I took the huge gamble of loading the
>>>> wife and kids into the car and headed to the park.  My wife got to
>>>> drive the car for the first time.  We then went to the Sonic for
>>>> burgers and fries... very 60'ish.  It was, overall, a very  
>>>> enjoyable
>>>> 51st anniversary.
>>>>
>>>> Stephen Upham
>>>> '65 Monza hardtop PG  A/C  AM/FM  OBF  Sierra Tan / Saddle
>>>> The Original Four Door Sports Car
>>>> NTCA / CORSA
>>>> Dallas, TX.
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