<VV> Apology?

Tue May 4 18:47:07 EDT 2010

I once thought I had made a mistake also but it turns out I was wrong. And I am sure Harry did not delete the SCG stuff intentionally but I may be incorrect. And for me it is a moot point as I am not in the SCG. And at times I am sorry I ever fell into these silly cars which we all seem to love/hate depending on what currently ails us (valve seat, intermix, HPRT,'61 converts.,etc).
Timothy Shortle in (beautiful) Durango Colorado
Looking forward to another 360 days in CORSA before I sign up for another 360 days
Looking forward to our Tri State Meet in Canon City,Colorado (May)
Looking forward to Cedar Rapids, Iowa (June)
Looking forward to Palm Springs,California (October)
Looking forward to the Tri State Meet in Tulsa, Oklahoma (maybe)
The important thing is don't look back

-----Original Message-----
>From: Robby <vintagevwbeetles at gmail.com>
>Sent: May 4, 2010 3:58 PM
>To: whubbell at umich.edu
>Cc: Virtual Vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>Subject: Re: <VV> Apology?
>
>OK, so Harry made a mistake.  While he may be a PAID employee of CORSA, he
>is also (1) human and (2) a member of CORSA so I say we cut him a little
>slack.  He isn't the first person in CORSA to make a mistake!!   Also, your
>original post made it appear that your group was the only one that he
>deleted and implied that it was intentional.  While I agree that Harry owes
>you an apology for deleting your group's stuff (which he has done), I think
>you owe him an apology for implying to the group that he did it
>intentionally.
>
>But who I am to question it - I won't be a CORSA member in 60 days anyway so
>guess it is a moot point for me
>
>Robby
>
>On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Bill Hubbell <whubbell at umich.edu> wrote:
>
>> Harry was messing around on the CORSA server and deleted EVERYTHING. He
>> then ran a restore routine.  Harry did not even bother to tell us he had
>> done this until WE discovered our site missing a few days later.
>>
>> He NEVER offered up a public apology until over a year later (and even then
>> not until provoked) and then tries to deflect his responsibility by claiming
>> that somebody else should have backed up the data which HE destroyed.
>>
>> A simple statement from Harry AT THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT to  the effect of
>> "I'm terribly sorry.  What can I do to help fix the problem?" would have
>> gone a long way to repair relations, but he never did that; instead he
>> deflected the issue then just as he is deflecting it now.
>> You all need to remember that Harry is a PAID employee of CORSA. You and I
>> pay his salary. We pay him to help us; not to erase things and then shift
>> blame
>>
>> Bill Hubbell
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robby <vintagevwbeetles at gmail.com>
>> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 14:07:18
>> To: whubbell at umich.edu<whubbell at umich.edu>
>> Cc: Harry Jensen<hljensen at comcast.net>; Virtual Vairs<
>> virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>> Subject: Re: <VV> Apology?
>>
>> I am sure I will get blasted for this but sounds to me as if you
>> failed to have the proper backup, suggested that Harry purposefully
>> deleted it and then when he defended himself and apologized you
>> weren't satisfied.
>>
>> Sounds like the issue is not the deletion by Harry but not being able
>> to blame him without him defending himself
>>
>> Robby
>>
>> Sent from my Apple iPhone
>>
>> On May 4, 2010, at 1:16 PM, "Bill Hubbell" <whubbell at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> > What I ASKED Harry for was a public apology for his role in
>> > destroying the
>> > SCG web site.
>> >
>> > I guess an "apology" with qualifications is all I am going to get -
>> > sort of
>> > like Laura Bush's apology.
>> >
>> >
>> > Bill Hubbell
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org
>> > [mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of Harry Jensen
>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 1:57 PM
>> > To: Virtual Vairs
>> > Subject: <VV> Fwd: Re: "Improved" Concours class
>> >
>> > Hi--
>> >
>> > Bill asked me to go 'public' with this message.
>> >
>> > --H
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -------- Original Message --------
>> > Subject:    Re: "Improved" Concours class
>> > Date:    Tue, 04 May 2010 09:14:59 -0500
>> > From:    Harry Jensen Executive Secretary <corsa at corvair.org>
>> > To:    whubbell at umich.edu
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi--
>> >
>> > [To you only.]
>> >
>> > On 5/3/2010 10:33 PM, Bill Hubbell wrote:
>> >> Heck, for all I know, it is the reason Harry Jensen "accidentally"
>> > deleted
>> >> the Stock Corvair Group Website (and all back-ups) from the CORSA
>> >> Server
>> > in
>> >> March of 2009, effectively killing all our momentum and setting us
>> >> back
>> > over
>> >> a year.
>> >
>> > Let's talk about this for a minute.
>> >
>> > Harry deleted ALL of the databases on corvair.org. That means the
>> > member
>> > database with the chapter records and all associated records, SCG
>> > database, and any other databases that were out there. And for that
>> > I am
>> > profoundly sorry.
>> >
>> > I reconstructed the member database and associated tables from the
>> > backups. There were no backups for the SCG database or at least no
>> > data
>> > in the backups. Harry had nothing to do with the backups. Bryan wrote
>> > the script for the backups. And Marissa did not have a backup.
>> >
>> > While you can blame me for deleting the SCG database, blaming me for
>> > the
>> > backups or lack of is unwarranted.
>> >
>> > --H
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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>> > | CORSA Executive Secretary
>> > |
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