<VV> NOS 1960 Chrome Engine Grill never installed - as new

Tue Jun 8 23:18:40 EDT 2010

I have one NOS 1960 engine grill - perfect, never been installed, $300 obo.

Call 248 719 1518

Rich

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   1. Re: Leftover Parts (BobHelt at aol.com)
   2. Re: Leaky Fuel Pump? (corvairs at pacifier.com)
   3. Pontiac Oakland convention (Rick Norris)
   4. Re: CORVAIR ENGINE HEAT (Mark Durham)
   5. Re: Leftover Parts (Mark Durham)
   6. Re: POWERGLIDE UPSHIFT PROBLEM (N2VZD at aol.com)
   7. Re: POWERGLIDE UPSHIFT PROBLEM (Matt Nall)
   8. Just Driving! (Louis Armer)
   9. Re: PS- 140 performance upgrades (deltainc)
  10. Powerglide (DAN RORAFF)
  11. Re: Just Driving! (KELLYJRE at aol.com)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:44:34 EDT
From: BobHelt at aol.com
Subject: Re: <VV> Leftover Parts
To: bowtieguy at cox.net, virtualvairs at corvair.org
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In a message dated 6/7/2010 9:09:18 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
bowtieguy at cox.net writes:

Any  advice on what to do with leftover parts? I have oil filters, 
Pertronix  Ignitor 1, Ignitor ll Coil, steering wheel, rocker panel molding with the 
front and back dog legs, rear insulation for a convertible, convertible 
boot  and plastic bag, used fuel pumps, Corvair books and manuals etc. 

Bob  Vukas

Raffle gifts at club meetings.
Offer free to budding Corvair mechanics
Club membership inducements.

Regards,
Bob Helt

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:56:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: corvairs at pacifier.com
Subject: Re: <VV> Leaky Fuel Pump?
To: Mikeamauro at aol.com
Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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Hi Mike, Not picking on you - this happens all the time.

By your account you changed to an electric pump because you tried
"everything". Someone who doesn't know better (a new owner) would
therefore assume that mechanical fuel pumps are bad to rely on.

By your list lets dissect this correctly.

NAPA - Napa has a huge reputation for STILL carrying the 1993 fuel pump
recall run in their system. No mystery there. These pumps were made for
about a 6 month period 17 years ago and WERE defective. Most were recalled
except, apparently, from Napa.

THE SOURCE - I'm sorry, but it has to be said. Despite the Source's claim
that their pumps were "the only ones that don't leak" the fact is (and
time has proven this) that he probably had more trouble with his fuel
pumps - for a longer period of time, than all of us put together times 10.

NOS AC Delco - 35-50 year old NOS anything with rubber is a gamble. I
don't recommend that anyone rely on an NOS fuel pump.

CLARKS - This is the only difficult one out of the batch. Clarks has
normally sold Master (same as us) but I DO know for a fact that they sold
Source pumps, and also other brands (including the supplier to Napa,
Carter etc). I know for a fact that they have had troubles at various
times with their pumps.

None of this even starts to consider problems on your end.

We have a superstitious predjudice in the Corvair community about
mechanical fuel pumps. Like all superstitions they can be explained, but
most folks don't want to listen.

Lon
www.corvaiunderground.com

Mike said - OK, then: Clark's, NAPA, the Source, and a NOS AC Delco. I
stated in my
> post that stock-type pumps worked fine except in the van. This was not a
> "kick"  on any particular brand or vendor, just a simple statement of fact
> about
> having to change to an electric pump--in the van application--because of a
> persistent fuel leakage problem. Gee "Can't we all just learn to get
> along?"

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:27:56 -0400
From: "Rick Norris" <ricknorris at suddenlink.net>
Subject: <VV> Pontiac Oakland convention
To: <fastvair at yahoogroups.com>
Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Message-ID: <A6A07D615BCC4616A6FEF2650248BDAC at RICK>
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The 38th POCI or Pontiac Oakland club convention will be held here in Charleston, West Virginia from July 5 thru July10. This is the second time it has been held here. Old high school buddy is Prez of local chapter.
On Saturday Ronnie and the Daytonas will perform.
Also Arnie the Farmer Beswick will be will be at the local drag strip on Friday the 9th.
Any Corvair folks coming to town then give me a call and stop on by..

Rick Norris
#36 Sunoco Corvair
www.corvairalley.com
304-757-8154

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:30:04 -0700
From: Mark Durham <62vair at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> CORVAIR ENGINE HEAT
To: HallGrenn at aol.com
Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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Bob, yes, I agree, I just didn't bother to write that stuff because he was
doing it in the summer when it was already warm.

In the aircraft world, the pilot is trained to wait until the oil temp and
cht temp are in the green before taking off, and that usually is about the
time they are done taxing to the end of the runway and complete a runup, so
a lower airbox is not required. Porsche produced an aircraft engine for five
or six years for the Mooney aircraft line and that engine was fully boxed in
with the porsche fan, but it didn't survive well.

In the car world, we want to get in and go, so the airbox is an absolute
necessity for quick warmup when temps are cooler and provides some margin
against thermal shock by retaining some of the heat, like when going up a
steep hill then over the top and down the other side, it helps prevent cold
soaking when you are no longer pulling power..
Mark Durham

On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 7:31 PM, <HallGrenn at aol.com> wrote:

>   In a message dated 6/6/2010 9:44:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> 62vair at gmail.com writes:
>
> The only reason a air cooled engine needs these is to give hot
> air for the cabin in the car.
>
>  Mark,
>
> They have other purposes as well.  Like fast warm up of the engine to
> reduce the time the chokes are closed and the mixture is so rich.  Lots of
> advantages to a faster warm up including less engine wear and less oil
> contamination.  There are probably other reasons the boxes and dampers were
> part of the design as well.
>
> Bob Hall
> Group Corvair
> Corvanatics
> CORSA
>

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:43:27 -0700
From: Mark Durham <62vair at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> Leftover Parts
To: bowtieguy at cox.net
Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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Bob, Ebay and Craigs list are another easy way to advertise your stuff.

Mark Durham

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 9:08 AM, <bowtieguy at cox.net> wrote:

> Any advice on what to do with leftover parts? I have oil filters, Pertronix
> Ignitor 1, Ignitor ll Coil, steering wheel, rocker panel molding with the
> front and back dog legs, rear insulation for a convertible, convertible boot
> and plastic bag, used fuel pumps, Corvair books and manuals etc.
>
> Bob Vukas
> bowtieguy at cox.net
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 19:25:05 EDT
From: N2VZD at aol.com
Subject: Re: <VV> POWERGLIDE UPSHIFT PROBLEM
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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changed gov , modulator , fluid aok , good vacuum , linkage ok , now down  
to E clip or TV adjust?
hard to get it to upshift when warmed up. ok cold.
next step: different transmission , or rebuild this one.  never had so  
much fun with one vehicle before. this transmission was aok a year ago with  
different motor  (the one that had a bad cam fer sure).
regards, tim colson.

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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 19:37:15 -0400
From: Matt Nall <patiomatt at aol.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> POWERGLIDE UPSHIFT PROBLEM
To: N2VZD at aol.com, virtualvairs at corvair.org
Message-ID: <8CCD57AA9197A0F-608-34C4 at webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
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changed gov , modulator , fluid aok , good vacuum , linkage ok , now down  
to E clip or TV adjust?
hard to get it to upshift when warmed up. ok cold.
next step: different transmission , or rebuild this one.  never had so  
much fun with one vehicle before. this transmission was aok a year ago with  
different motor  (the one that had a bad cam fer sure).
regards, tim colson.

============================================================

Even though it makes no sense... a few in the last year having the same malady..."was ok a year ago",  have cured it by changing Governors!

Matt Nall
Charleston, Oregon
http://mysite.verizon.net/nalllm

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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:32:17 -0400
From: Louis Armer <carmerjr at mindspring.com>
Subject: <VV> Just Driving!
To: "Rick Norris" <ricknorris at suddenlink.net>
Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Message-ID: <E1OM9D1-0004I3-IW at elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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At 07:12 AM 6/8/2010, you wrote:

>Not lost on me John.
>I putz around in my 67 vert also just enjoying the sights and sounds plus
>the thumbs up and smiles!
>Yeah, its a "slush box" too!
>The 65 Stinger clone race car satisfies any need to slide a few cogs around.
>Well at least it used to !!! ............ :-)
    FrontMan
    WTBRT PR
    AAMCO, WV

>Rick Norris
>#36 Sunoco Corvair
>www.corvairalley.com

CORSA Member
Corvanatics Member
Corvair Atlanta Director
1965 Corsa Coupe
1964 Greenbrier
http://darthvair.com
SECC Member
1965 Corsa Autocross car 1/2 owner
http://www.wtbrt.com/

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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:30:54 -0500
From: "deltainc" <deltainc at grm.net>
Subject: Re: <VV> PS- 140 performance upgrades
To: "vv" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Message-ID: <A32216FA733249B2871F8D1734B80610 at deltaa5d58061e>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray R. (aka Grymm)" <vairguy at echoes.net>
Subject: Re: <VV> PS- 140 performance upgrades

> LOL!  You've got me there.  Let me clarify a bit... I'd like my vair to be
> quick off the line and 0-60 compared to other Corvairs, not compared to
> anything with double the cubes!
***********
Firstly, if you only need another 10 lbs/ft or so of torque, you need to 
sign a pack in your childrens blood... in my short but happy existence I 
have yet to find someone that wants just a " little more" power than stock, 
and then stops there ... (g ) ....

How about bolting on a fairly stock corvair turbo unit?  I had a buddy add a 
T04 onto his 140 engine, went like heck.  The stock vair turbos and fittings 
are on ebay all the time; potentially they give a honest 140 horses or so 
against maybe 110 real horses from your 140 supposed/ 4 carb stocker.  That 
might be just what you say you want ... I call it a teaser, but it is 
certainly faster when the turbo does come in.  a thrill in fact ... and the 
sound of the turbo whizzing up is always half the fun ...

Or, how about jetting for E85, if you are close to a pump source for that . 
there are quite a few in Iowa now.  I would go for an electric fuel 
pump/regulator myself if going to alcohol.  The E85 would use more fuel, but 
should, if engine tuned for it, give a little more torque also. oh, should 
run cooler, also, ... well, should...  I think some of the guys here already 
are/have run the E85, or maybe straight alcohol, you will need a bunch 
bigger main jet ( richer think ) ....

and of course, the old blue bottle of nitrous oxide is always an 
alternative,  but this requires understanding about what burning 
valves/pistons mean$$$$.

Just some thoughts ... ken campbell, deltawerkes 

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 02:17:18 +0000
From: DAN RORAFF <djrcorvair at msn.com>
Subject: <VV> Powerglide
To: virtualvairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Message-ID: <SNT101-W101D44F3C91B1E434892C7CBD70 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

My Corvair has only two pedals.  I do wish it was a manual.  My daily driver has a manual.  (Toyota, rebuilt transmission! oh what a feeling!).

My wife's old minivan had the shifter on the steering column.  I told her I didn't know how to drive it.  Her new minivan,an '09 Dodge, has the shifter on the dash, just like my powergulide.  Actually it is a good place for the shifter. 

Dan

65 Corvair Monza auto convertible

04 Toyota Matrix 5 speed, rebuilt $$$$.  

P.S.  

The Corvair will out stop, out corner, and rides smoother than the Toyota!  I could make a list, but I need to get to bed in a few hours.

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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 22:31:50 EDT
From: KELLYJRE at aol.com
Subject: Re: <VV> Just Driving!
To: jekepler at amplex.net, virtualvairs at corvair.org
Message-ID: <9380e.3637ef7d.39405716 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

I drove my 68 coupe to our monthly club meeting tonight. On the  trip back, 
had all the windows down, good tunes on the radio, and that  satisfying 
feeling of a smooth running, tight driving corvair. Best therapy I  can think 
of. 

Ed Kelly
              Corsa S.C.

In a message dated 6/7/2010 9:44:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jekepler at amplex.net writes:

In all  the minutia and very necessary technical questions...has anyone  
just
stopped to ponder just what a joy our goofy little cars are?  The  more I
work on mine...the less I'm convinced that GM ever built such an  exemplary
machine.  Hell....changing an oil filter is a joy!  No  muss, no fuss, and
not a drop of oil spilled if you're even half-way  careful!  I spent the
entire day just putzing around our area in my 67  Monza convertible, not
doing one damn thing more than listening to that  sweet little engine and
marveling at just how precise the little bugger  handles.  Sometimes we
forget just how lucky we are to have found the  little gem that  others
ignore!

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