<VV> Modern Corvair - more innovations true to Corvair

Tue Jan 19 11:50:11 EST 2010

The Fiero was good, especially the later ones, but still no Corvair !

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From: <jvhroberts at aol.com>
To: <Chaz at ProperProPer.com>; <tkalp at cox.net>; <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: <VV> Modern Corvair - more innovations true to Corvair

> By the way, GM already did this! It was called the Fiero!
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> Packaging is as you say, a "unit" that be installed in one operation.
>
> Sort of makes you want to take one and put it in the back of a Corvair 
> doesn't
> it ?
> Maybe not even locking the steering for 4-wheel steering?
>
> Charlie
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: jvhroberts at aol.com
>  To: Chaz at ProperProPer.com ; tkalp at cox.net ; virtualvairs at corvair.org
>  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 5:05 PM
>  Subject: Re: <VV> Modern Corvair vs. mundane FWDs
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>  FWD has the same advantage as a Corvair, packaging wise. No massive
> transmission/driveshaft tunnel! Not exactly as flat a floor, but still, 
> FWD
> packages a lot better than front engine/RWD. But rear engine/RWD packages 
> even
> more compactly. Sort of... <G>
>
>
>
>  John Roberts
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>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProPer.com>
>  To: tkalp at cox.net; virtualvairs at corvair.org; jvhroberts at aol.com
>  Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:21 pm
>  Subject: Re: <VV> Modern Corvair vs. mundane FWDs
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>  Good point about the FWD domination today !
>
>  The Corvair's problem was that was alone and distinct which made it an 
> easy
> target.
>
>  When FWDs started in the US, it was the expensive Eldorado and Toronado, 
> but
> they didn't really succeed because they were different with no real 
> advantage.
>
>  So-o-o-o, "they" decided to inundate us with FWDs so (a) we wouldn't have 
> a
> choice, and (b) we'd eventually get used to them and (c) most people don't 
> know
> the difference anyway.
>
>  From a handling perspective, FWD is "safer" due to its understeer, which 
> means
> people don't get in trouble as fast.  (Sure now they go off the outside of 
> a
> curved road instead, but even that is less startling since FWDs are hard 
> to spin
> out, which is what makes driving so much fun.
>
>  (By "spin out" I mean 180s and 360s, not STOP : "Squeal Tires On 
> Pavement")
>
>  Corvairs are harder to spin out that FE/RWD cars, but FWDs are nearly
> impossible, which I think makes them "safer"
>
>  Mechanics love them too, because all the expensive stuff is up front 
> taking
> the impact of pot holes, etc with complex CVJs and steering ear in a very
> vulnerable position, so lots of $$ to be made fixing them !
>
>  I think FWD is what makes all new cars so mundane, IMHO.
>
>  Charlie;
>
>    ----- Original Message ----- 
>    From: jvhroberts at aol.com
>    To: Chaz at ProperProPer.com ; tkalp at cox.net ; virtualvairs at corvair.org
>    Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:29 PM
>    Subject: Re: <VV> Modern Corvair
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>    In a lot of ways, the Volt is even more step out than the Corvair was. 
> The
> first true plug in hybrid, the first truly mass produced car with a fully
> electrical drivetrain, and they're betting the bank on a battery 
> technology,
> which is extremely close to success, isn't quite ready for prime time.
>
>    A rear engine car, designed for today's market, is a fascinating 
> concept.
> Not sure how GM would do it, then there's the issues of how radically 
> different
> rear engine cars behave compared to FWD cars, which, unlike in the 60s, is 
> now
> the norm. I can see the lawyers now, wringing their hands in anticipation!
>
>    From a technology standpoint, the Corvette transaxle appears to be 
> close
> enough to what's needed to be the basis for a perfect rear engine 
> transaxle.
> Heck, all it really needs is an integral bellhousing at the rear and 
> hollow
> mainshafts!
>
>    But there really isn't an engine in the bin suitable for this. It's a 
> shame
> they sold their share of Subaru! The new 3.6L engine would be marvelous in 
> such
> a car!!
>
>
>
>    John Roberts
>
>
>
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProPer.com>
>    To: tkalp at cox.net; Virtual Vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>    Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:30 pm
>    Subject: Re: <VV> Modern Corvair
>
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> Maybe if the Chevy "Volt" was rear-engined with advanced suspension and 
> low
>
> center of gravity, plus the styling of the Corvair, now THAT would be a
>
> winner !
>
>
>
> However, I think GM proved they are NOT up to the challenge of a "new
>
> Corvair" as advanced as the Corvair was then, by the actions they took 
> then.
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, the Corvair, as great a car as it was (and is), still has a
>
> stigma as a result of GM's inability to take a stance against Nadir (sic),
>
> as VW
>
> did when Nadir went after them !
>
>
>
> Still it would be a cool idea to have a contest of some kind, to see what
>
> the Corvair might have been ?
>
>
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> From: <tkalp at cox.net>
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> To: "Virtual Vairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:00 PM
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> Subject: Re: <VV> Modern Corvair
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>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Charles Lee wrote:
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>>> No one bailed out the Corvair !  ... and they wrote songs about the
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>> Part of the problem in creating a true "today's Corvair" is while the
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>> Munstang, Camaro, Challenger are noted for their appearence rather than
>
>> engineering excellence.  To capture the true soul of the Corvair, the
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>> new Corvair would have to capture the excellent styling of the Corvair
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>> but to be an engineering breakthrough also . . . don't know if GM is up
>
>> to the challenge.
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>
>> tkalp
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>> wichita, ks
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>>
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>>> Corvair - "Tough Little Buggy" and "Corvair Baby" to name two, plus
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>>> more
>
>>> than one group named "The Corvairs" ...
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>>>
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>>> Where would it be today ?  Has anyone here designed "today's" Corvair
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>>> ?
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>>>
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>>> After looking at the "new" 1968 Retro-Mustangs, Camaros ("Camaroes" ?)
>
>>> and
>
>>> Challengers, I'd think the Corvair would go over quite nicely !
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>>>
>
>>> Charlie
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>>>
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