<VV> Campfire

[Mel Francis]

This thread is the main reason why VV should become a forum accessible only 
to CORSA members.

An interested Corvair enthusiast, non member, who first shows up on the 
CORSA site is directed to this forum and on a day like today, after perusing 
a thread like this, can easily decide to blow off the entire idea of joining 
up, with all the animosity going on between members and non-members.

Suggestion:
The CORSA home page should be modified, ASAP, to show non-members the link 
to the new Corvair Forum only, which is a much more appropriate environment 
for an outsider perusing the possibility of getting involved in Corvairs on 
a national club level.

Then, once they make the decision to join and are members in good standing 
with an access code, they can take part in these VV discussions, if they'd 
like to.

Plus, it would serve as a strong limitation to the sort of uninvited comment 
seen below:
as long as this list is available for NON CORSA MEMBERS,  You can't do 
anything about it.

But at least we wouldn't wind up effectively washing our dirty laundry in 
virtual public, as we are now!
C'mon, close the door guys, there's a membership-chilling draft coming 
in........

Mel Francis


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kaczmarek at charter.net>
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>; "James P. Rice" <ricebugg at mtco.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: <VV> Campfire


> So the hackles are coming up.
>
> ---- "James P. Rice" <ricebugg at mtco.com> wrote:
>> Hank (aka: FMOLG):  Let's see if I get this right.  You have bailed out 
>> of
>> CORSA, say you have no dog in the fight, but you continue to tell those 
>> of
>> us, CORSA members, how the organization we belong to should work.
>
> Nice Try James.  I never told anyone how CORSA should work.  All I said 
> was from what I was hearing, there was some skanky politics going on.   I 
> didn't opine on the By-Laws and how they should be enforced.
>
> With the dependability of our postal service, to dismiss a director, one 
> who other Directors say have been making waves and the President doesn't 
> like,  because his dues are 2-3 days late smacks of an ambush.    By the 
> by-laws, Chavez/Mahler was within the by-laws.   But those weren't exactly 
> handed to him on stone tablets carved by tongues of fire, either. 
> Someone wanted Jack  jammed up, and jammed up he became.     Doesn't smell 
> good.  Just Sayin'.
>
>
>
>
> Since you
>> are not a dues paying member, you have no right to tell the rest of us 
>> what
>> you would do if you were a dues paying member.
>
> Didn't say that either, but I sure got your ass lathered up, eh?
>
>
>
> Discussing what CORSA should
>> do is solely the prerogative of dues paying members.  It is like illegal
>> and/or non-citizen type people in this country telling us what we should 
>> do.
>> If you want a voice, fulfill the requirements of membership/citizenship.
>
> Sorry, can't do that.  I don't buy into re-distribution of wealth, which 
> is what CORSA's "Free ride for those who feel they shouldn't pay" is.
>>
>> You have no right to ask or demand any BoD member to explain anything on 
>> VV.
>> In the first place,
>
> I didn't.  Just sayin' what I heard, and wanted to see if any directors 
> had the testicular fortitude to come on and tell V V members what was 
> going on.   Apparently not.   I didn't demand,  I was just wondering why 
> there is no transparency in the BOD's actions.
>
>
>
> VV is not meant to be a place where CORSA leadership
>> makes announcements to a group which may have as many or more non-CORSA
>> members than members.  Folks like you.  VV was never meant to be a forum 
>> for
>> CORSA discussions.  It has kinda turned into that, to our shame.
>
> Well, it's "Kinda turned into that "over the last 13 years I've been on 
> VV, including the 2 years I was V V Chairman.  No shame in discussing club 
> business on a club sanctioned message board. If there is any, it's between 
> your ears, and the vacuum within.
>
>
> > President Tim cannot fire any BoD member.  But since, according to you, 
> > Jack
>> did not fulfill his responsibility to maintain his CORSA membership he
>> automatically cannot be a BoD member. By definition.  CORSA membership is 
>> a
>> requirement to be on the BoD.  No membership, no position on the BoD.
>
> Why not?  You can be A CORSA Chapter President without being a CORSA 
> member!!! Just look at the chapters that have more Non-CORSA members than 
> CORSA members.  Do you think they restrict officers to CORSA members only?
>
> Nice try, but non-sequitur.
>
>
> If
>> true, the only thing President Tim did was enforce the By-laws.  Which he
>> should do.  It is not like it is hard to know when your membership 
>> expires.
>> It is on the Communique mailing label each month.  Cannot speak for 
>> others,
>> but I have always received my renewal notice well in advance of my
>> membership expiration date.  If what you say is true, Jack is without
>> excuse.
>
> As a Marine, you should understand failure, and consequences
>> thereof, for not following the requirements of the office.
>
> Marines DON'T FAIL. SURRENDER IS NOT IN OUR CREED.
>  You should confine your opinions to areas that you have expertise in. 
> Did you serve in the Marine Corps?  If not, dummy up!
>>
>>
>>
>> You, on the other hand....
>>
>> As for you getting cussed out, that is a hoot!  I've been cussed out off
>> line by you one time to many.  As have others.  As the chief purveyor of
>> vulgar, obscene and profane e-mails, you are a filthy corrupt pot calling
>> others dirty.
>
>
> Historically, Directors stayed above the fray, exercised diplomacy, and 
> NEVER resorted to profanity against members, even if it was used against 
> them.  We don't have Directors like that anymore.  They're happy to drop 
> to whatever level you care to set.
>
>
> Give us a break.  Go away.  Craw back into whatever swamp you
>> normally reside in.  If you cannot control your vocabulary adequately to
>> respond here, don't bother.  You will be deleted without remorse.
>
> When did you become the Chairman, James?  Only the chairman can delete 
> posts or moderate posters.  I haven't heard from the Chairman, not a 
> warning, or moderation.
>
> And as long as this list is available for NON CORSA MEMBERS,  You can't do 
> anything about it.   How's them apples, wise guy?
>
> Take your Righteous Indignation, pop it in a pipe and have you a smoke 
> pal, I'm not going anywhere.
>
> Another keyboard beater hits the dust.
>
>
>
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