In a message dated 2/27/2010 3:50:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, hmlinc at sbcglobal.net writes: If 10 tries don't do it, give up and get the puller. Oh, have the nut loose - but NOT off. This avoids hitting yourself in the face with the wheel. JR - You forgot to add "Don't ask me how I know this!" Hee Hee! -Seth