<VV> Corvair A/C Question
Eric S. Eberhard
flash at vicsmba.com
Tue Dec 14 19:51:07 EST 2010
I could not agree more. Or I don't mind if they are anal, just leave
me alone :-) Here is a good example. One of my 62 cars had a 61
clock (they changed the base in 62). The clocks were always 100% of
the time a dealer option. In the real world, if you asked for a
clock, the dealer went to his shelf and picked up whatever clock was
there (if he was smart the oldest one of course) and put it on your
car. It is perfectly reasonable to have a 61 clock on a 62 car when
it was a dealer option and could very well have come from the dealer
that way when the car was sold. I mostly try to stay period correct
without going nuts. I have two I keep stock and one to play ...
I suppose the Judson on my sedan could be considered nuts ... but it
does not do much except make cool noises and give me a lot more
torque. And it is fun to play with.
Of course the 62 clock on a 61 may or may not be correct -- depending
if the 62 clocks got to the dealer before they ran out of 61
cars. Of course a 62 clock on a 60 would likely violate some purity law.
E
At 03:38 PM 12/14/2010, William Hubbell wrote:
>It may not always be possible to determine what was "factory original" vs.
>dealer or aftermarket, but it sure is fun to try! I think the problems
>arise when some folks start forgetting that this is SUPPOSED to be fun and
>start getting all anal about it.
>
>Bill Hubbell
>President, Stock Corvair Group.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org
>[mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of Eric S. Eberhard
>Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:37 PM
>To: BBRT
>Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>Subject: Re: <VV> Corvair A/C Question
>
>Depends on the year and model and factory ... Jeeps were completely
>coated in something called cosmoline, plastic was likely around the
>seats despite driving them off, and dealer prep usually included
>removing a bunch of things from the cars that were there for shipping
>(or not there). Most certainly did not have radials. Almost 100% of
>all cars and at least ONE dealer option -- as this was the common way
>to do options then. I bet people now prefer modern oil and
>grease. And where exactly would you get that leaded gasoline that
>they used to drive them off the truck? Paper mats on the
>floor? Paint that contained lead in it? Where exactly do you find
>that these days?
>
>I was not trying to be specific about what was or was not on a
>Corvair from each and every factory and model and year -- I was
>pointing out that there is actually no such thing as a car just like
>it was from the factory. I was making a point, and used generic
>examples. I am sure others can find all kinds of other ones. In
>fact one could be silly -- does your factory car have exactly the
>same amount of gas in the tank as it left the factory (or do they put
>that in outside the factory, and how does that then count? -- in
>other words, it came out of the factory w/out gassed, and they were
>gassed for shipment -- that is what I heard -- of course it may have
>been on the property of the factory and not in the building so some
>would say the gasoline is factory and some would not). Another point
>I am making in case I am being too subtle is that this whole subject
>gets VERY silly at times.
>
>One that really grinds me are the people that over-restore to the
>point that the body panels line up as if done in a modern factory
>using laser equipment. I doubt many Corvairs ever had panel
>alignment like that! Also, they use base coat/clear coat and make
>the paint so much nicer than factory. And powder coat all kinds of
>things that were never powder coated. Pretty in their own way, just
>not "factory" despite them entering them in competitions as factory.
>
>So -- just enjoy your car. If something is not factory or you are
>not sure, does it really change how your car drives and handles? I
>rescued a gelding Thoroughbred race horse ... and for $600.00 I could
>get the genuine Jockey Club certified papers ... but I suspect he
>rides just the same without them :-) so I never bothered.
>
>E
>
>At 01:16 PM 12/14/2010, you wrote:
> >Eric,
> >
> >They weren't wrapped in plastic and did have oil and gasoline..ever
> >see them drive off the truck bringing them to the dealer? No goopy
> >stuff, either.
> >
> >Chuck S
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric S. Eberhard" <flash at vicsmba.com>
> >To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>; <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> >Cc: <Sethracer at aol.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 2:51 PM
> >Subject: <VV> Corvair A/C Question
> >
> >
> >>Trying to unequivocally state what came from the factory and exactly
> >>how everything was is a futile exercise. There were variations
> >>between factories, workers, dealers, and customers. I have a 62 A/C
> >>Coupe originally sold in Bakersfield, CA. I have the original
> >>customer's invoice/sticker in terrible shape ... which specifies
> >>non-tinted windows. So not all A/C cars had tinted windows. You can
> >>never tell customer taste and I have no idea how the dealer achieved
> >>it. Perhaps the dealer changed the windows or added the A/C, but A/C
> >>is listed in the factory option section, the non-tinted windows
> >>listed in the car description. But, I bet the dealer made this
> >>document so who knows (or cares) -- my car certainly was sold from
> >>the dealer with A/C.
> >>
> >>Just for the record nobody has (or wants) a car just like it left the
> >>factory. Forget about bias ply tires, points, etc -- from the
> >>factory it was wrapped in plastic, had no gas, no oil, had goopy
> >>stuff to protect it ... it would seem a more correct standard would
> >>be to restore a car to how it left the dealer with some wriggle room
> >>for safety. That is what I do anyway.
> >>
> >>I had a 74 BMW 3.0 CSL that was equipped in a way that everyone said
> >>was not correct. This caused me trouble trying to sell it. Then a
> >>kind person sent me a period magazine article. It showed pictures of
> >>their test car equipped exactly like mine -- to a "T" -- and in the
> >>article the explained that their's was an "export" version and hence
> >>was equipped with variations from the home market version. And my
> >>car was correct despite 25 experts that said otherwise!
> >>
> >>E
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>At 06:45 PM 12/13/2010, virtualvairs-request at corvair.org wrote:
> >>>Message: 2
> >>>Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:37:34 EST
> >>>From: Sethracer at aol.com
> >>>Subject: Re: <VV> Corvair A/C Question
> >>>To: brent.fullard at rogers.com, virtualvairs at corvair.org
> >>>Message-ID: <3a579.43d33709.3a37ec1e at aol.com>
> >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>In a message dated 12/13/2010 12:36:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> >>>brent.fullard at rogers.com writes:
> >>>
> >>>Re: " The factory cut the openings with a cutting torch "
> >>>
> >>>Are you sure about that? This picture from Kent Sullivan's website of a
> >>>donor car with factory A/C sure doesn't look like torch cut openings to
>me,
> >>>and more like stamped openings:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>The factory was working with an empty car body - no interior installed.
> >>>Cutting it with a torch was easy and quick. The dealer had to work within
>a
> >>>complete car, carpeting - at least some, wiring, and a painted
> >>>dash panel. He
> >>> could not use a torch. Unless you bought the car new, and watched it
>come
> >>>off the truck, it is hard to tell the difference between a proper dealer
> >>>installed A/C and the factory. (That is providing that the other common
> >>>options like tinted glass are installed.)
> >>>
> >>>- Seth Emerson
> >>
> >>
> >>Eric S. Eberhard
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>Eric S. Eberhard
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