<VV> master cylinder R & R (was Starter Installation Question)

Tue Aug 17 21:29:52 EDT 2010

It's a crap shoot quoting the Flat Rate Manual. Those estimates were made
when working on a new (or "fresher" car), not a 40 or 50 year old classic
where iron nuts and bolts have become one, undoing numerous PO's "jerry
rigging", stripped thread holes, bad/broken/brittle connectors and grounds,
etc. There always seems to be a "surprise".

Rodney

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[mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of Charles Lee
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:42 AM
To: Lon Anderson
Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Subject: Re: <VV> master cylinder R & R (was Starter Installation Question)

I ask because it's one of my earliest experiences "beating" the Flat Rate
Manual, but the mechanic may have, um, misquoted the actual hours ?

While I waited for the mechanic who could not work until later that week, I
tried it myself and did it in about 15 minutes on my "spare Vair" having
never done it, and having no idea how.  (I paid another shop to bleed the
brakes) 

So, I'm curious if I was quoted right ?

Charlie
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lon Anderson 
  To: Chaz at ProperProper.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:33 AM
  Subject: Re: <VV> Starter Installation Question

  Charlie,
  Are you talking replacing a single reservoir master cylinder? Or a dual
reservoir master cylinder such as found in a 67?
  My books are home, and I'll check when I get there, but I need to know
which one you're talking about.
  Later,
  Lonzo

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Charles Lee <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
  To: LonzoVair at aol.com; ricknorris at suddenlink.net
  Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
  Sent: Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:08 pm
  Subject: Re: <VV> Starter Installation Question

Out of curiosity, how long does it give for a master cylinder on a 1965 
Corsa ?

Charlie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <LonzoVair at aol.com>
To: <Chaz at ProperProper.com>; <ricknorris at suddenlink.net>
Cc: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: <VV> Starter Installation Question

> The 1969 Chevrolet Flat Rate book says half an hour to replace the 
> starter.
> Overhaul of the starter (does not include replacing field coils or
> recondition  armature) is .8 hour (and includes replacing the starter 
> drive)...
> Any other Flat Rate questions, let me know.... I have 1960 through 1969
> (the separate little books, not some conglomeration of info), and it 
> covers
> all  Chevys.
> Later,
> Lonzo
>
>
> In a message dated 8/17/2010 3:28:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> Chaz at ProperProper.com writes:
>
> At 64,  that's about how long it takes me -
>
> Anyone have a Flat Rate Manual that  shows how long it takes a mechanic
> with
> tools, lift, and experience to do  it ?
>
> Maybe it was the mechanic just making up flat rate hours  ?
>
> When I've said that I can beat the Flat Rate Manual, I was taking the
> mechanics word for the labor time, but I never actually verified what the
> FRM said, so that may be another area I need to be less trusting, and
> reduce
> my ignorance, by asking to see the manual that they use to  calculate ?
>
> On the ZX-2 ZTEC cylinder head, I was quoted anywhere from  7.5 to 10.7
> hours, depending on the shop.
>
> I've also found that  asking such questions makes them not want to work on
> my
> car.  I  wonder why's that ?  Hmmm...
>
> Charlie
>
> ----- Original Message  ----- 
> From: "Rick Norris" <ricknorris at suddenlink.net>
> To: "Bill  H." <gojoe283 at yahoo.com>; <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Sent:  Monday, August 16, 2010 2:28 PM
> Subject: Re: <VV> Starter  Installation Question
>
>
>>
>> Bill,
>> It is easier to do  this job wiyh the left rear wheel removed. In my
>> younger
>> days  I could do this in about 20 minutes!
>> Now, that is a  nap!
>>
>> Rick Norris
>> #36 Sunoco Corvair
>>  www.corvairalley.com
>>
>> B"H
>>
>> Hi  folks!
>>
>> Has anyone figured out a good way to install a starter  on a 110 engine? 
>> I
>> got
>> under the car with my mechanic's  creeper, the car was up on ramps, but I
>> just
>> couldn't get at  that top bolt!
>>
>> Further, I'm afraid I wouldn't have the  strength to lift the new 
>> starter,
>> and
>> hold it in place while I  put the bolts through.
>>
>> I was wondering if it would be easier  to jack the driver's side up,
> remove
>> the
>> rear wheel, and try  to access the starter from the wheel well?
>>
>> I'd appreciate any  adivce. If it can only be done from directly under 
>> the
>> car,
>>  I'm afraid I'm gonna have to let a mechanic do it, who has a  lift.
>>
>> Thanks!...Bill Hershkowitz 69 Monza Coupe 110  PG
>>
>>
>>
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