<VV> Battery charger with 50 Amp "Engine Start" enough ?

Mon Aug 2 20:33:53 EDT 2010

Charles,
    You should take off the starter, then separate the solenoid. Disassembly the solenoid taking off first, both 3/8" nuts, then the "S" nut. After this, unscrew the 2 small bolts take off the bakelite cap, tapping on both 3/8" and the "S" bolts. Take it off carefully and now you can see and take off the copper disk. It will be full of burnt marks all around by the upper side but the lower side could be like new. If so, reverse it's position on the shaft. If the inner sides of both 3/8" copper bolts are not badly burnt, you can clean them scraping with the end of a broken saw or a flat jewelers file. This is my way to make solenoids last twice as I don`t earn dollars but pesos.

2nd suspect is the starter's armature where the only thing you can easily make is cleaning the multiple contacts where the 4 brushes ride on. Check the size of brushes and flat springs condition.

If this looks as too much work, look for a good starter.

Daniel Monasterio
PS. Don't forget to clean bellhousing and starter nose areas where both make contact, if they are not clean you can get slow cranking even with a good starter and a fully charged bateery. As usual... don't ask me how I know it. 

> From: Chaz at ProperProper.com
> To: hyarnell1 at earthlink.net; dmonasterio at hotmail.com; hmlinc at sbcglobal.net; virtualvairs at corvair.org
> Subject: Re: <VV> Battery charger with 50 Amp "Engine Start" enough ?
> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 16:50:07 -0700
> 
> This 50 A "Engine Start" / charger is designed to jump start an engine with 
> a dead battery from house current, with no time to charge, i.e., just what I 
> want.  They make an 80 A version, but that is for larger (more modern ?) 
> trucks, etc.
> 
> It does advise that it NOT be used with no battery in place, but its warning 
> is that the car's electrical circuits could be damaged.
> 
> I could infer from that statement that I could use this unit instead of the 
> battery, eliminating the battery, except for the that electrical circuits 
> could be damaged.
> 
> I have two nearly new batteries, both indicate (with a different charger) 
> that they are fully charged, both giving the same results.
> 
> Hence, I bought the "Engine Start" / charger to ensure that I have 
> sufficient juice, and eliminate the battery as a variable in this equation.
> I'd hook it to the 220 if I thought it would help !
> 
> However, the solenoid just clicks, and when it does try to crank, it is 
> v-e-r-y  s-l-o-w ...
> The connections are all clean and tight on the battery, solenoid and 
> starter.
> 
> I have NOT pulled the starter to test it separately, which is next.
> 
> Is this solenoid available separately, or only as a starter-solenoid unit 
> (as is the usual case nowadays) ?
> 
> Charlie
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Harry Yarnell" <hyarnell1 at earthlink.net>
> To: "Daniel Monasterio" <dmonasterio at hotmail.com>; <hmlinc at sbcglobal.net>; 
> "Charles Lee" <chaz at properproper.com>; "VirtualVairs" 
> <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 4:14 PM
> Subject: Re: <VV> Battery charger with 50 Amp "Engine Start" enough ?
> 
> 
> > I'd be curious what a 50 amp charger really puts out steady state. I doubt 
> > it would start a car with a dead battery.
> > Charging a battery at 50 amps isn't good; batteries like something in the 
> > range or 4-10 amps steady state----for a long time (12 hours). Just the 
> > nature of the beasts.
> > Trickle charging AFTER a full charge is an excellent way to maintain a 
> > full charge over time.
> > The '66 Grand Prix won't start after a charged battery sits for six 
> > months, idle. The '65 Coupe de ville fires happily for the same period 
> > with a trickle charger the Grand Prix doesn't have.
> >
> > Harry Yarnell
> > Perryman Garage and Orphanage
> > hyarnell1 at earthlink.net
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Daniel Monasterio" <dmonasterio at hotmail.com>
> > To: <hmlinc at sbcglobal.net>; "Charles Lee" <chaz at properproper.com>; 
> > "VirtualVairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: <VV> Battery charger with 50 Amp "Engine Start" enough ?
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I think a 50 amp. charger could not work fine by itself but, supporting a 
> >> low charged battery, as a good starter (with clean cable conections) uses 
> >> up to 180amps. I would try slow charging the battery first (say 1 hour) 
> >> and then try again with battery + 50 amp charge.
> >>
> >> Daniel Monasterio
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: hmlinc at sbcglobal.net
> >>> To: Chaz at ProperProper.com; virtualvairs at corvair.org
> >>> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:10:02 -0500
> >>> Subject: Re: <VV> Battery charger with 50 Amp "Engine Start" enough ?
> >>>
> >>> Clean the connections - including the ground at the alternator bracket. 
> >>> If
> >>> that does not do it, clean the connections at the starter.
> >>> Later, JR
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>> From: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at ProperProper.com>
> >>> To: "corvair" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> >>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 5:05 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: <VV> Battery charger with 50 Amp "Engine Start" enough ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > OK, now I may have killed my 67 Monza 110's battery or possibly the
> >>> > starter,
> >>> > starting it so many times ?
> >>> >
> >>> > I replaced the battery, same slow cranking, so I got a Battery charger
> >>> > with
> >>> > 50 Amp "Engine Start" and no internal battery that needs charging 
> >>> > first.
> >>> >
> >>> > Still, same slow cranking.   Maybe 50 Amps is not enough (Sears has an 
> >>> > 80
> >>> > Amp model) ?
> >>> >
> >>> > Maybe I've worn out the starter ?
> >>> >
> >>> > Thank you for your support !
> >>> > Charlie
> >>> >
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