<VV> GM Wankels

Mon Apr 26 15:52:42 EDT 2010

 Nah, a properly set up Q Jet is actually a really good carb, as far as carbs go. 

The issue with the GM Wankel is, just like GM, it was too big. And the bigger you make these, the thirstier and dirtier they get. So, doomed from the beginning. And again, Mazda had the intellectual property on their improvements pretty well tied up at that point. 

John Roberts

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Yeah. I imagine the Q-Jet had something to do with it!! 

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Subject: Re: <VV> GM Wankels
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 17:25:37 -0400

YIKES!! Even the RX2 would get 16 MPG! 

John Roberts

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While working at the GM Desert Proving Grounds in Mesa, Arizona in the early 70s 

I drove a Wankel-powered Vega. We weren't doing anything fancy with it, just 
putting miles on it. There were issues at the time with apex seal life. It was 
equipped with a 4-barrel (Q-Jet) carburetor and was about the fastest thing 
around with added bonus of getting a whopping 12 miles per gallon!! With Vega's 
10-gallon fuel tank we didn't pass many gas stations......

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From: jvhroberts at aol.com
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Subject: Re: <VV> GM Wankels, Starfire, flying cars (Dennis Johnsey)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 15:02:16 -0400

Well, maybe, right now, virtually ALL of the intellectual property of any 
meaning to the Wankel is owned by Mazda. So much so, I think it would be VERY 
hard for anyone else to pursue the Wankel without purchasing licensing rights 
from Mazda. 

John Roberts

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From: Dennis Johnsey USN (ret) <dilligras at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:16 am
Subject: Re: <VV> GM Wankels, Starfire, flying cars (Dennis Johnsey)

I bought a new, six cylinder Olds Starfire in '75 because the V8 Monza required 
pulling the engine off its mounts to access sparkplugs. Now I know why. The 
wankel was also used by OMC in personal watercraft and by Moller Industries in 
their remarkable prototype eight-engined flying car. 
>From the website:

http://www.moller.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=61&Itemid=72

Emissions and fuel consumption
   Uses our 
proprietary low cost lean burn combustion process together with our 
patented combustion surface coating and pre-heated incoming fuel-air 
charge to greatly reduce both emissions and fuel consumption. This 
technology has the potential to eliminate both the lubrication and 
cooling systems. 

   Long engine life in a low-cost 
design
   Uses a new proprietary rotor and rotor cooling 
technology to reduce rotor weight and related mechanical stresses 
throughout the engine. Uses new apex seal material and proprietary 
plasma sprayed internal coatings.   Maximum power with 
minimum weight and size
   Uses our proprietary porting 
design and advanced component development to generate twice as much 
power for its weight as most four-stroke competitors.   Modular
design allows low cost power growth
   One- and two-rotor 
versions of the Rotapower 650 Series engine provide scalable power for 
applications with requirements from 75 to 150 horsepower.   Ability
to operate on any fuel
   Proprietary technology developed 
to lower emissions and fuel consumption also allows the use of any type 
fuel with modest changes in the fuel injection system for operation with
diesel fuel. 

"Veddy intedesting!"[Arty Johnson]

Imagining 3 or 4 of those in a '64 convertible...

DJ
'62 Custom Corvan w/'66 110hp & powerglide

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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 06:56:32 -0400
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Subject: Re: <VV> Wankels
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Both Norton and Suzuki had Wankel powered motorcycles right from the
factory!

Ditto DKW.....but Suzuki built more RE-5's than Norton and DKW combined!

John

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