<VV> Don't Judge the Undercarriage

Fri Apr 9 15:45:28 EDT 2010

Throw it my way!

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Wayne B. <afvair at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I agree 100% with Clark and Dennis on not judging the undercarriage.  I
> 2005 I spent two weeks on my back in the garage cleaning my restored
> undercarriage on my very nice 66 Marina Blue monza to be ready for the
> Concours.  It was perfect when done.  Then I had to drive the car from Salt
> Lake City to Portland.
>
> When arriving I obviously had no way to get the car up in the air to spend
> what would have been more time cleaning what dirt and mud puddles I had been
> though on my way to Portland.
>
> Now that I have a seriously bad back I cannot do that "deep cleaning"
> anymore which forces me out of showing my car in the Concours anymore and
> receiving poor marks because of a dirty undercarriage although everything is
> new underthere.  I am now in the throws of deciding to sell my very nice
> car.
>
> Wayne Broadhead
> 66 Marina Blue Monza
> Bonneville Corvair Club
>
> --- On Fri, 4/9/10, virtualvairs-request at corvair.org <
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> > From: virtualvairs-request at corvair.org <virtualvairs-request at corvair.org
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> > Subject: VirtualVairs Digest, Vol 63, Issue 31
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> > Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 9:00 AM
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> >    1. Re: Convention Scheduling (Vairtec
> > Corporation)
> >    2. "Wheels" (corvair at mts.net)
> >    3. Fuel Sender Float - Followup (Geoffrey
> > Johnson)
> >    4. Convention Schedule (Ken Maxwell)
> >    5. National Conventions / concours (Clark
> > Hartzel)
> >    6. Re: "Wheels" (Marc Marcoulides)
> >    7. Re: National Conventions / concours
> > (Dennis Pleau)
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> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 10:39:22 -0400
> > From: Vairtec Corporation <Vairtec at optonline.net>
> > Subject: Re: <VV> Convention Scheduling
> > To: VirtualVairs <VirtualVairs at corvair.org>
> > Message-ID: <20100409143929.4769B378B3 at tiger.skiblack.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii";
> > format=flowed
> >
> > Ken Pepke wrote:
> >
> > having a standard established schedule would minimize
> > complaints.
> >
> >
> > Harry Jensen wrote:
> >
> > We reach a point where the time to conduct all the
> > different events
> > is greater than the time in each day
> >
> >
> > Bob now replies:
> >
> > Unlike Ken, I think a standardized schedule will make the
> > conventions
> > even more same-ol same-ol than they are already.  I
> > think that each
> > convention should strive to be distinctive, distinctive in
> > terms of
> > many things, including scheduling.
> >
> > Harry's comment illustrates the point.  Through the
> > years, we have
> > added events, such that the convention schedules have grown
> > and grown
> > and grown to the point that they no longer comfortably fit
> > into the
> > available days and hours.
> >
> > The solution, I think, is to go back to the CORSA by-laws,
> > which
> > mandate only a small number of things for the
> > convention.  The
> > concours is a requirement, as is the general membership
> > meeting, as
> > is an unspecified competitive moving event, as are a few
> > generally-described thing such as vendors and tech
> > sessions.  Nothing
> > says that we have to try to do EVERYTHING at EVERY
> > convention.  Mix
> > it up.  Don't try to do it all, all over again, every
> > year.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 9:41:22 -0500
> > From: <corvair at mts.net>
> > Subject: <VV> "Wheels"
> > To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> > Message-ID:
> >     <20100409144122.WIIE3908.mx-02mtaout01.mts.net@
> wnpgmb021pw-sp03.mts.net>
> >
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> >
> > I remember watching that one, at the age of 16. IMDB has
> > some info, but looks like there is just no re release of the
> > show:
> >
> > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077099/
> >
> > Les
> > ==========
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 09:57:58 +0200
> > From: Guus de Haan <guusdehaan at me.com>
> > Subject: <VV> Wheels - The mini-series
> > To: Virtual Vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> > Message-ID: <69DC7819-33F7-4949-9F98-70681864AAE1 at me.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > In 1978 there was a TV mini-series named Wheels. It was
> > based on the book by Arthur Hailey.
> >
> > I would love to see this series again but AFAIK it never
> > made it to video or dvd.
> >
> > Long shot:  does anybody on VV have this series, maybe
> > on your own vcr tapes?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Guus de Haan
> > The Netherlands
> > '65 Corsa Turbo-Charged Cvt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 08:41:33 -0600 (MDT)
> > From: Geoffrey Johnson <geoffj at unm.edu>
> > Subject: <VV> Fuel Sender Float - Followup
> > To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.1004090833290.9265 at neptune.unm.edu>
> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
> >
> > Hello,
> > I certainly appreciate everyones replies.
> > While I know I can order one
> > from a vendor, or dig through friends parts stashes - this
> > was a case of
> > hoping I could pick one up from an auto parts store
> > on the way home from
> > work - as so often can be done with more parts then we
> > usually think.   So I could fix it today vs
> > waiting for the mail.  It does seem to be harder to
> > chase down then I
> > recalled.  First time I have had one fail over all the
> > vairs I have owned.
> > So I added the float on a
> > order that was already being processed from a
> > vendor.   Running out of gas
> > with a very
> > pregnant wife in the car does not make for a happy time!
> >
> >
> > Geoff Johnson
> > Albq NM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 10:57:55 -0400
> > From: "Ken Maxwell" <kobramax at insightbb.com>
> > Subject: <VV> Convention Schedule
> > To: "Virtual Vairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> > Message-ID: <8d1rpl$ake488 at asav02.insightbb.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;
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> >
> > Hi All!
> >
> >
> >
> > I must admit that I was pretty surprised when I attended my
> > first convention
> > in 2001 after a 20 year absence, to find that the concours
> > and car display
> > were held on the first full day of the almost week long
> > convention. To me,
> > and I think most others, the concours and car display
> > should be the climax
> > of all the events, with the rally, Econo-run and autocross
> > leading up to
> > them. To have the most public oriented event scheduled on a
> > mid-week day
> > doesn't make sense to me. I know that it takes time to make
> > the plaques and
> > I know Cole competitors could be at a disadvantage, but a
> > Friday or Saturday
> > concours and car display make the most sense to me. I think
> > that this year's
> > convention is making some progress by having the car
> > display late and
> > shortening the overall convention.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ken Maxwell
> >
> > Louisville, KY
> >
> >
> >
> > 65 Spyder
> >
> > 67 Monza
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 11:07:19 -0400
> > From: "Clark Hartzel" <chartzel at comcast.net>
> > Subject: <VV> National Conventions / concours
> > To: "Virtual Vairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> > Message-ID:
> > <23E1A24E5DA445B1A85480E9D96C525A at ClarkPC>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > I have a simple solution to the concours problem.
> > Stop judging
> > undercarriages!  Have the concours last on a Saturday
> > so the public can see
> > it.  If your car got dirty on the rally, econo run or
> > autocross, run it thru
> > the automatic car wash and show it!  The factory never
> > cared what the bottom
> > of our Corvairs looked like, so why do we "over restore"
> > and try to make the
> > bottom prettier than the top?  I'll bet the average
> > brand new Corvair was
> > rusty underneath before it was sold.  Undercoating was
> > sprayed around wheel
> > wells with no care by the appliers.
> > If some got on the panted surfaces outside it was wiped off
> > but nobody cared
> > what the bottom looked like.  Gas tanks, springs, tie
> > rods, relay rods and
> > other suspension parts were installed without paint so why
> > do we try to
> > powder coat and make all that boring stuff look pretty?
> > Clark (cars are made to be driven) Hartzel
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 08:27:49 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> > From: Marc  Marcoulides <hharpo at earthlink.net>
> > Subject: Re: <VV> "Wheels"
> > To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> > Message-ID:
> >     <
> 27748716.1270826869663.JavaMail.root at elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > I remember Rock Hudson drove a 65 Ferrari
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: corvair at mts.net
> > >Sent: Apr 9, 2010 7:41 AM
> > >To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> > >Subject: <VV> "Wheels"
> > >
> > >I remember watching that one, at the age of 16. IMDB
> > has some info, but looks like there is just no re release of
> > the show:
> > >
> > >http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077099/
> > >
> > >Les
> > >==========
> > >Message: 3
> > >Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 09:57:58 +0200
> > >From: Guus de Haan <guusdehaan at me.com>
> > >Subject: <VV> Wheels - The mini-series
> > >To: Virtual Vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> > >Message-ID: <69DC7819-33F7-4949-9F98-70681864AAE1 at me.com>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > >
> > >In 1978 there was a TV mini-series named Wheels. It was
> > based on the book by Arthur Hailey.
> > >
> > >I would love to see this series again but AFAIK it
> > never made it to video or dvd.
> > >
> > >Long shot:  does anybody on VV have this series,
> > maybe on your own vcr tapes?
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Guus de Haan
> > >The Netherlands
> > >'65 Corsa Turbo-Charged Cvt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 08:31:53 -0700
> > From: "Dennis Pleau" <dpleau at wavecable.com>
> > Subject: Re: <VV> National Conventions / concours
> > To: "'Virtual Vairs'" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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> > The best suggestion yet, BUT I'll bet the Concours people
> > won't like it!
> >
> > dp
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org
> > [mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org]
> > On Behalf Of Clark Hartzel
> > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 8:07 AM
> > To: Virtual Vairs
> > Subject: <VV> National Conventions / concours
> >
> > I have a simple solution to the concours problem.
> > Stop judging
> > undercarriages!  Have the concours last on a Saturday
> > so the public can see
> > it.  If your car got dirty on the rally, econo run or
> > autocross, run it thru
> > the automatic car wash and show it!  The factory never
> > cared what the bottom
> > of our Corvairs looked like, so why do we "over restore"
> > and try to make the
> > bottom prettier than the top?  I'll bet the average
> > brand new Corvair was
> > rusty underneath before it was sold.  Undercoating was
> > sprayed around wheel
> > wells with no care by the appliers.
> > If some got on the panted surfaces outside it was wiped off
> > but nobody cared
> > what the bottom looked like.  Gas tanks, springs, tie
> > rods, relay rods and
> > other suspension parts were installed without paint so why
> > do we try to
> > powder coat and make all that boring stuff look pretty?
> > Clark (cars are made to be driven) Hartzel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
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