<VV> Don't Judge the Undercarriage

[John Howell]

Hi Wayne, having a nice Corvair to drive  is more important than winning 
awards, it`s not the end of the world if you don`t win an award, if you own 
a nice Corvair you are already a winner !
Some people are getting so stressed out over winning that they miss the real 
fun.

John


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wayne B." <afvair at yahoo.com>
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 12:25 PM
Subject: <VV> Don't Judge the Undercarriage


I agree 100% with Clark and Dennis on not judging the undercarriage.  I 2005 
I spent two weeks on my back in the garage cleaning my restored 
undercarriage on my very nice 66 Marina Blue monza to be ready for the 
Concours.  It was perfect when done.  Then I had to drive the car from Salt 
Lake City to Portland.

When arriving I obviously had no way to get the car up in the air to spend 
what would have been more time cleaning what dirt and mud puddles I had been 
though on my way to Portland.

Now that I have a seriously bad back I cannot do that "deep cleaning" 
anymore which forces me out of showing my car in the Concours anymore and 
receiving poor marks because of a dirty undercarriage although everything is 
new underthere.  I am now in the throws of deciding to sell my very nice 
car.

Wayne Broadhead
66 Marina Blue Monza
Bonneville Corvair Club

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> 1. Re: Convention Scheduling (Vairtec
> Corporation)
> 2. "Wheels" (corvair at mts.net)
> 3. Fuel Sender Float - Followup (Geoffrey
> Johnson)
> 4. Convention Schedule (Ken Maxwell)
> 5. National Conventions / concours (Clark
> Hartzel)
> 6. Re: "Wheels" (Marc Marcoulides)
> 7. Re: National Conventions / concours
> (Dennis Pleau)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 10:39:22 -0400
> From: Vairtec Corporation <Vairtec at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Convention Scheduling
> To: VirtualVairs <VirtualVairs at corvair.org>
> Message-ID: <20100409143929.4769B378B3 at tiger.skiblack.com>
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> Ken Pepke wrote:
>
> having a standard established schedule would minimize
> complaints.
>
>
> Harry Jensen wrote:
>
> We reach a point where the time to conduct all the
> different events
> is greater than the time in each day
>
>
> Bob now replies:
>
> Unlike Ken, I think a standardized schedule will make the
> conventions
> even more same-ol same-ol than they are already. I
> think that each
> convention should strive to be distinctive, distinctive in
> terms of
> many things, including scheduling.
>
> Harry's comment illustrates the point. Through the
> years, we have
> added events, such that the convention schedules have grown
> and grown
> and grown to the point that they no longer comfortably fit
> into the
> available days and hours.
>
> The solution, I think, is to go back to the CORSA by-laws,
> which
> mandate only a small number of things for the
> convention. The
> concours is a requirement, as is the general membership
> meeting, as
> is an unspecified competitive moving event, as are a few
> generally-described thing such as vendors and tech
> sessions. Nothing
> says that we have to try to do EVERYTHING at EVERY
> convention. Mix
> it up. Don't try to do it all, all over again, every
> year.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 9:41:22 -0500
> From: <corvair at mts.net>
> Subject: <VV> "Wheels"
> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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> I remember watching that one, at the age of 16. IMDB has
> some info, but looks like there is just no re release of the
> show:
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077099/
>
> Les
> ==========
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 09:57:58 +0200
> From: Guus de Haan <guusdehaan at me.com>
> Subject: <VV> Wheels - The mini-series
> To: Virtual Vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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> In 1978 there was a TV mini-series named Wheels. It was
> based on the book by Arthur Hailey.
>
> I would love to see this series again but AFAIK it never
> made it to video or dvd.
>
> Long shot: does anybody on VV have this series, maybe
> on your own vcr tapes?
>
> Regards,
>
> Guus de Haan
> The Netherlands
> '65 Corsa Turbo-Charged Cvt
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 08:41:33 -0600 (MDT)
> From: Geoffrey Johnson <geoffj at unm.edu>
> Subject: <VV> Fuel Sender Float - Followup
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.1004090833290.9265 at neptune.unm.edu>
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> Hello,
> I certainly appreciate everyones replies.
> While I know I can order one
> from a vendor, or dig through friends parts stashes - this
> was a case of
> hoping I could pick one up from an auto parts store
> on the way home from
> work - as so often can be done with more parts then we
> usually think. So I could fix it today vs
> waiting for the mail. It does seem to be harder to
> chase down then I
> recalled. First time I have had one fail over all the
> vairs I have owned.
> So I added the float on a
> order that was already being processed from a
> vendor. Running out of gas
> with a very
> pregnant wife in the car does not make for a happy time!
>
>
> Geoff Johnson
> Albq NM
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 10:57:55 -0400
> From: "Ken Maxwell" <kobramax at insightbb.com>
> Subject: <VV> Convention Schedule
> To: "Virtual Vairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Message-ID: <8d1rpl$ake488 at asav02.insightbb.com>
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> Hi All!
>
>
>
> I must admit that I was pretty surprised when I attended my
> first convention
> in 2001 after a 20 year absence, to find that the concours
> and car display
> were held on the first full day of the almost week long
> convention. To me,
> and I think most others, the concours and car display
> should be the climax
> of all the events, with the rally, Econo-run and autocross
> leading up to
> them. To have the most public oriented event scheduled on a
> mid-week day
> doesn't make sense to me. I know that it takes time to make
> the plaques and
> I know Cole competitors could be at a disadvantage, but a
> Friday or Saturday
> concours and car display make the most sense to me. I think
> that this year's
> convention is making some progress by having the car
> display late and
> shortening the overall convention.
>
>
>
> Ken Maxwell
>
> Louisville, KY
>
>
>
> 65 Spyder
>
> 67 Monza
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 11:07:19 -0400
> From: "Clark Hartzel" <chartzel at comcast.net>
> Subject: <VV> National Conventions / concours
> To: "Virtual Vairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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> I have a simple solution to the concours problem.
> Stop judging
> undercarriages! Have the concours last on a Saturday
> so the public can see
> it. If your car got dirty on the rally, econo run or
> autocross, run it thru
> the automatic car wash and show it! The factory never
> cared what the bottom
> of our Corvairs looked like, so why do we "over restore"
> and try to make the
> bottom prettier than the top? I'll bet the average
> brand new Corvair was
> rusty underneath before it was sold. Undercoating was
> sprayed around wheel
> wells with no care by the appliers.
> If some got on the panted surfaces outside it was wiped off
> but nobody cared
> what the bottom looked like. Gas tanks, springs, tie
> rods, relay rods and
> other suspension parts were installed without paint so why
> do we try to
> powder coat and make all that boring stuff look pretty?
> Clark (cars are made to be driven) Hartzel
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 08:27:49 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> From: Marc Marcoulides <hharpo at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: <VV> "Wheels"
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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>
> I remember Rock Hudson drove a 65 Ferrari
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: corvair at mts.net
> >Sent: Apr 9, 2010 7:41 AM
> >To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> >Subject: <VV> "Wheels"
> >
> >I remember watching that one, at the age of 16. IMDB
> has some info, but looks like there is just no re release of
> the show:
> >
> >http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077099/
> >
> >Les
> >==========
> >Message: 3
> >Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 09:57:58 +0200
> >From: Guus de Haan <guusdehaan at me.com>
> >Subject: <VV> Wheels - The mini-series
> >To: Virtual Vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> >Message-ID: <69DC7819-33F7-4949-9F98-70681864AAE1 at me.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> >In 1978 there was a TV mini-series named Wheels. It was
> based on the book by Arthur Hailey.
> >
> >I would love to see this series again but AFAIK it
> never made it to video or dvd.
> >
> >Long shot: does anybody on VV have this series,
> maybe on your own vcr tapes?
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Guus de Haan
> >The Netherlands
> >'65 Corsa Turbo-Charged Cvt
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 08:31:53 -0700
> From: "Dennis Pleau" <dpleau at wavecable.com>
> Subject: Re: <VV> National Conventions / concours
> To: "'Virtual Vairs'" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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> The best suggestion yet, BUT I'll bet the Concours people
> won't like it!
>
> dp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org
> [mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org]
> On Behalf Of Clark Hartzel
> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 8:07 AM
> To: Virtual Vairs
> Subject: <VV> National Conventions / concours
>
> I have a simple solution to the concours problem.
> Stop judging
> undercarriages! Have the concours last on a Saturday
> so the public can see
> it. If your car got dirty on the rally, econo run or
> autocross, run it thru
> the automatic car wash and show it! The factory never
> cared what the bottom
> of our Corvairs looked like, so why do we "over restore"
> and try to make the
> bottom prettier than the top? I'll bet the average
> brand new Corvair was
> rusty underneath before it was sold. Undercoating was
> sprayed around wheel
> wells with no care by the appliers.
> If some got on the panted surfaces outside it was wiped off
> but nobody cared
> what the bottom looked like. Gas tanks, springs, tie
> rods, relay rods and
> other suspension parts were installed without paint so why
> do we try to
> powder coat and make all that boring stuff look pretty?
> Clark (cars are made to be driven) Hartzel
>
>
>
>
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