In a message dated 9/13/2009 2:23:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, grymm at echoes.net writes: yes I'm serious... but then I'm young and dumb(er). Ray Rodriguez III Doesn't get much better with age--your body just instinctively remembers all the bruises, busted knuckles and smashed fingers and doesn't let you do it that way again. Bob