<VV> manditory membership

[John David Thomson]

As a Corsa member since 1971, and one now very upset with the attacks and comments being voiced on this "forum", I echo this one sentiment by Jason.... 'Put up or shut up'.  Run for the board or get in line.
One of your quiet (normally polite) Canadian cousins!!

Corsa has been good for all of us, and we need to make it better, not beat it down.  Change only happens by action, not words over the internet.

Dave, Calgary

----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Cesana <jacesana1 at cox.net>
Date: Monday, September 7, 2009 19:45
Subject: Re: <VV> manditory membership
To: whubbell at umich.edu, 'The Bristows' <oabwdb at comcast.net>, virtualvairs at corvair.org, corsabod at corvair.org

> Spineless. I guess that the founders of CORSA 40 years ago were 
> spinelessfor NOT requiring the 100% membership. I guess that 
> CORSA only supports the
> chapters? I think it is a two way street here. I can see your 
> points and it
> may seem like an easy fix but I don't think it would work they 
> way you see
> it. The chapters support CORSA with the exposure the public gets 
> to the
> Corvair. The more members a chapter has (member of CORSA or not) 
> the more
> the car is exposed. If more people get the "itch" then the more 
> Corvairs we
> can get into the fold. Once someone purchases a Corvair then 
> they start to
> ask questions and look up stuff online. If we continue to bad 
> mouth non
> members then they in turn probably will probably not tell anyone about
> CORSA. In Bay State we have many non CORSA members. One of them 
> is even a
> mechanic who continues to promote the Corvair. He has his own 
> reason for not
> being in CORSA but he is certainly not someone who picks for 
> free info just
> to sell a car. He is defiantly in the business of keeping 
> Corvairs running
> for future generations. 
> Also for the "freeloader" clubs (and I guess I belong to one of them
> according to some of you) We have to pay the fee for not being 100%
> compliant. Don't you think that covers us for the non members? 
> Remember we
> don't have to mail them a magazine every month or a membership 
> card so the
> only cost they give CORSA is the insurance. 
> If we "force" people to join there may even be some current 
> members that may
> leave because a friend in the local chapter is not and doesn't 
> want to join
> and that friend is ousted out of the chapter. So the trend 
> continues. I
> don't think the 100 membership is going to solve any financial 
> problem CORSA
> has. The best way for us to increase membership is to be more 
> open and
> inviting to ALL Corvair owners. Also when members SELL a car do 
> they give a
> local chapter and CORSA membership form with the paperwork? If 
> not perhaps
> that is also a good way to promote both parties. 
> I know that you guys probably don't agree with me but it's just 
> another way
> of looking at the picture. Trust me I don't expect anyone on 
> this side of
> the fence to agree with me but I don't think that calling the 
> BOD spineless
> is the way to vocalize your opinion. After all we are volunteers 
> and don't
> need the negative comments about our commitment to CORSA. If you 
> don't like
> the direction we are going then I expect your names on the 
> ballot next year.
> Jason Cesana
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org
> [mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of Bill Hubbell
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:58 PM
> To: 'The Bristows'; virtualvairs at corvair.org
> Subject: Re: <VV> manditory membership
> 
> I have to agree with Allen.  I fail to see how CORSA would 
> be hurt by
> requiring 100% membership from all Chartered Chapters.  
> What is the downside
> to CORSA if the folks who don't want to pay CORSA dues decide to 
> quit?  Is
> CORSA afraid that current CORSA members will quit CORSA if they 
> are required
> to be members of CORSA in order to join a CORSA Chapter?  
> If that is the
> case, let them leave.
> 
> Here is what the real problem is, folks.  There are certain 
> CORSA Board
> members who belong to local Chartered chapters that do not 
> require CORSA
> membership.  One of these clubs is a very large mid-western 
> club that
> several powerful CORSA members attend, and THEY don't want to 
> take a chance
> on messing up their organization to support CORSA.  This is 
> more than just
> spineless leadership, it is corrupt leadership.
> 
> Bill Hubbell
> President of Stock Corvair Group (a 100% CORSA chapter) Member 
> of Tidewater
> Corvair Club (a 100% CORSA chapter) Member of Air Vairs (a 100% CORSA
> Chapter)
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org
> [mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of The Bristows
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:43 PM
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> Subject: <VV> manditory membership
> 
> I do not want to let this go 
> silent.      Corsa supports local 
> chapters who
> have events, shows, assist with technical advice and 
> meetings.  It also
> supports a web site that any one can see the online classifieds, other
> various things and publishes a fine magazine.  We now have 
> a declining
> membership so we raise dues instead of reducing cost and 
> requiring Chapters
> to have 100% membership.  What amuses me is that we have 
> leadership that is
> spineless in making it manditory for 100 % membership in 
> Corsa.  If current
> club members that belong to a local chapter and not Corsa can't 
> figure out
> the benifits of Corsa then they need to sell their Corvair and 
> move on or
> find someone else to support their cheap A....!   They 
> usally milk members
> for technical help and parts then sell the car anyway.  Not 
> a real
> enthusiast in my book.  Whats the loss? The problem reminds 
> me of our
> wonderful Congress.  Lets give free social security and 
> health care to all
> the illegal imigrants so we can supp  ort them with our tax 
> dollars.  So our
> treasury has a massive deficit.
> Quick solution, just raise the taxes on the productive folks in 
> society.After all we may offend them.  I don't like my dues 
> going up to support free
> loaders.  This is the only major national car club that is 
> run like this.
> What a joke! I think the BOD needs to reconsider this before I 
> reconsiderwhere I send my money.  A very offended past 
> Corsa Prez.  Former TCC Prez,
> Corvair and Corsa enthusiast.  Allen
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