<VV> manditory multiple membership

[tkalp at cox.net]

Misguided?  What guides my thoughts is what is best for the Corvair 
hobby, I think that is true for you also.  What we disagree on is how to 
get there.

Why should I want to confuse the issue? Just trying to bring a little 
common sense and a little less emotional reaction to the discussion.

You seem to be saying that to join one local club you are using so much 
of CORSA's resources that you should be required to Join CORSA. But if 
you join a second club you are not using any of CORSA resources?  Why 
can't someone just join the second club?  If joining MCCA requires X 
amount of CORSA resources then joining MCCA and Stock Corvair Group 
should require 2X the CORSA resources. If it doesn't then why the 
insistance on 100% membership?

Terry Kalp


On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:20 PM , Bill Hubbell wrote:

> Terry, your misguided attempt to confuse the issue has actually 
> provided one of the best reasons for joining CORSA and also the best 
> reason why CORSA SHOULD require national membership of all who wish to 
> join one of their CHARTERED Local or Special Interest Group Chapters. 
> The point is that these clubs want CORSA affiliation and people want 
> to join these clubs and to receive the benefits that come to a local 
> club with national backing.
>  If the only thing CORSA did was to provide the national structure to 
> support and tie these many different clubs together then THAT should 
> be reason enough to join CORSA - so that you would be ABLE to join a 
> local club and also several SIGs.
>
> Even if all you want to do is run a local Corvair business you still 
> receive benefit from the existence of a large national organization 
> that keeps the Corvair in the public eye through national events and 
> publications.
> All you folks who think you don't benefit from CORSA are like the 
> parents who think their kids don't need vaccinations because we don't 
> see "those illnesses" anymore. We don't see them because enough people 
> DO get vaccinated to reduce the prevalence of the wild strains to a 
> low enough level such that the ones who don't get vaccinated are 
> protected. In medicine we call this "herd immunity". However, the 
> "herd" is only protected so long as most still get vaccinated.   It is 
> the same with CORSA. Many people benefit from the public exposure, 
> even if they don't pay. But let the national club die and you will see 
> the local clubs fail as well.
>
> Bill Hubbell
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tkalp at cox.net
>
> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 21:49:10 To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Subject: Re: <VV> manditory multiple membership
>
>
> Boy we need to get all this "freeloading" stopped.  No one has even 
> discussed all those CORSA members that belong to several chapters and 
> only pay CORSA dues once.  I'll bet that if we got all these double, 
> tripple, and more dippers to pay a CORSA membership for each chapter 
> the CORSA deficit would dissapear.  It wouldn't suprize me if most if 
> not all the members of the Stock Corvair Group are at least double 
> dippers.
>
> Terry Kalp
> MCCA
> HOCOA
> V-8 Registery
> Corvantics
> CORSA
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 7:57 PM , Bill Hubbell wrote:
>
>> I have to agree with Allen.  I fail to see how CORSA would be hurt by
>> requiring 100% membership from all Chartered Chapters.  What is the 
>> downside
>> to CORSA if the folks who don't want to pay CORSA dues decide to 
>> quit? Is
>> CORSA afraid that current CORSA members will quit CORSA if they are 
>> required
>> to be members of CORSA in order to join a CORSA Chapter?  If that is 
>> the
>> case, let them leave.
>>
>> Here is what the real problem is, folks.  There are certain CORSA 
>> Board
>> members who belong to local Chartered chapters that do not require 
>> CORSA
>> membership.  One of these clubs is a very large mid-western club that
>> several powerful CORSA members attend, and THEY don't want to take a 
>> chance
>> on messing up their organization to support CORSA.  This is more than 
>> just
>> spineless leadership, it is corrupt leadership.
>>
>> Bill Hubbell
>> President of Stock Corvair Group (a 100% CORSA chapter)
>> Member of Tidewater Corvair Club (a 100% CORSA chapter)
>> Member of Air Vairs (a 100% CORSA Chapter)
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org
>> [mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of The Bristows
>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:43 PM
>> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>> Subject: <VV> manditory membership
>>
>> I do not want to let this go silent.      Corsa supports local 
>> chapters who
>> have events, shows, assist with technical advice and meetings.  It 
>> also
>> supports a web site that any one can see the online classifieds, 
>> other
>> various things and publishes a fine magazine.  We now have a 
>> declining
>> membership so we raise dues instead of reducing cost and requiring 
>> Chapters
>> to have 100% membership.  What amuses me is that we have leadership 
>> that is
>> spineless in making it manditory for 100 % membership in Corsa.  If 
>> current
>> club members that belong to a local chapter and not Corsa can't 
>> figure out
>> the benifits of Corsa then they need to sell their Corvair and move 
>> on or
>> find someone else to support their cheap A....!   They usally milk 
>> members
>> for technical help and parts then sell the car anyway.  Not a real
>> enthusiast in my book.  Whats the loss? The problem reminds me of our
>> wonderful Congress.  Lets give free social security and health care 
>> to all
>> the illegal imigrants so we can supp
>>  ort them with our tax dollars.  So our treasury has a massive 
>> deficit.
>> Quick solution, just raise the taxes on the productive folks in 
>> society.
>> After all we may offend them.  I don't like my dues going up to 
>> support free
>> loaders.  This is the only major national car club that is run like 
>> this.
>> What a joke! I think the BOD needs to reconsider this before I 
>> reconsider
>> where I send my money.  A very offended past Corsa Prez.  Former TCC 
>> Prez,
>> Corvair and Corsa enthusiast.  Allen
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