<VV> On promoting CORSA
Wildman, Kenneth
k-wildman at onu.edu
Mon Sep 7 17:21:58 EDT 2009
It has nothing to do with threaded conversations.
I would respectfully suggest you go back and read your initial posts.
There several ways to communicate concerns about an issue. Starting out
by telling us how awful the website is, without any constructive
suggestions, and offering criticism without understanding the group are
not the most effective ways to promote change.
I agree that there are areas in the website that can be improved. My
approach would be to contact the web-team, off-channel, and point out
concerns and offer a few suggestions for improvement.
Some people enjoy the conversational nature of VV. It's like a group of
folks sitting in a lounge, enjoying their favorite beverage, and having
multiple conversations going on that you can tune into, tune out, or
push in new directions. Others enjoy a more structured conversation
such as a forum like Corvair Center. Above all, I like having the
choice. :-)
Ken
> -----Original Message-----
> From: virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org
[mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org]
> On Behalf Of Dave Hammelef
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 1:33 PM
> To: Jay Pitchford
> Cc: VirtualVairs at corvair.org
> Subject: Re: <VV> On promoting CORSA
>
> Wow, I must really need to learn to communicate better.
>
> On one side Im being told I want to much change on the other I'm being
told I have
> a glass half empty doomsday outlook.
>
> All to weird for me to handle. Must be a lack of a threaded
conversations and
> replies coming in out of order.
>
> Jay already have a '64 vert. Went shopping with a current/former VV
member. But
> a VV member does not mean a Corsa member (though I believe they were).
>
> I don't know for a fact if Corsa is growing or shrinking. From what I
have read it
> sounds like shrinking and lots of people are not happy. Im still
trying to learn and
> understand the point of Corsa and what people want / expect from it vs
what they
> are getting. And adding my own insights in what I see.
>
> --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Jay Pitchford <jay.pitchford at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Jay Pitchford <jay.pitchford at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: <VV> On promoting CORSA
> To: "Dave Hammelef" <davhammcar at yahoo.com>
> Cc: VirtualVairs at corvair.org
> Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 11:56 AM
>
> Alas, it's a fruitless endeavor for any of us to argue with a man who
is determined
> to see the glass as half empty. Please feel free to define me as
living proof of your
> CORSA doom/death/despair theory of the day. Irrespective, I will
remain the tank-
> half-full Pollyanna I've always been.
>
> Perhaps a ride in a convertible will give you a sunnier disposition? I
will volunteer
> my passenger seat when I buy mine, probably in the next few weeks.
> Cheers! - jcp
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Dave Hammelef <davhammcar at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> Jay,
>
> Interestingly you have made these contacts without joining Corsa. I
have not yet
> made one contact through Corsa. I have had contact with probably a few
hundered
> or more Corvair owners. Even had one go with me to look at a car
several years
> ago (thanks Norm if your still on here).
>
>
>
>
> So if this biggest thing to get out of Corsa is contacts I would say
the model does
> not work. And you are living proof. Of course saying its about
insurance or a
> magazine probably are not it either. I think Corsa needs to be lots of
things to lots
> of people, and from the sounds of it right now it is one or two things
to a very few
> people.
>
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Jay Pitchford <jay.pitchford at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: Jay Pitchford <jay.pitchford at gmail.com>
>
> Subject: Re: <VV> On promoting CORSA
>
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>
> Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 3:02 PM
>
>
>
> Please allow a prospective CORSA member to weigh in here for a moment.
Mark
>
> has a valid point. I joined the virtual vairs forum just last night
because,
>
> after shopping for months for a Corvair convertible, I came to the
>
> conclusion that the ONLY way to make an informed decision about buying
a
>
> Corvair was to rely on the expertise of the CORSA network.
>
>
>
> What did that decision net me? In less than 24 hours, I've heard from
8-10
>
> members via email and one by telephone. I have discussed and been sent
>
> pictures of 5-6 convertible candidates. I have been offered advice,
gotten a
>
> second independent opinion on one that I'm seriously considering, and
been
>
> given plenty of help and encouragement. This is a fine group of
people, and
>
> anyone that's interested in becoming a Corvair owner would be foolish
not to
>
> join CORSA for the contacts and deep, deep knowledge of the cars.
>
>
>
> Whether I ever get mailed a t-shirt or not, joining CORSA will be my
first
>
> official act after getting the title to my Corvair in hand.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:48 PM, airvair at earthlink.net
<airvair at earthlink.net
>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> > All,
>
> >
>
> > While insurance and the Corsa Communique are important parts, I feel
that
>
> > the most valuable asset CORSA makes possible are the CONTACTS. I
tell
>
> > prospective members that the most valuable thing they get from a
national
>
> > club are the contacts, contacts that you can only make through
membership
>
> > in the car's marque club. Even if they aren't interested in the
"social"
>
> > part of a car club, I point out that those contacts will make
everything
>
> > easier, less expensive, and ultimately more enjoyable about owning
the car.
>
> > This cannot be emphasized enough!
>
> >
>
> > Maybe the national office doesn't exactly roll out a red carpet for
new
>
> > members. But I know my local club members in Friends of Corvair do.
Such
>
> > contacts are only limited to how willing the newbie is to make
friends with
>
> > others, and to ask questions and put his/her needs out to others.
That's
>
> > the key in making CORSA membership grow. Emphasize CONTACTS.
>
> >
>
> > -Mark
>
> >
>
> >
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