<VV> Reply... Subject: 64 Wagon

[jvhroberts at aol.com]

 The difference between a 69 Corsa and an LM wagon is huge. For a 69 Corsa, there's not a lot to imagine or guess at. Given that there's precious little difference between a 66 Monza and a 69 Monza, just figure a 66 Corsa and a 69 Corsa would be equally different, which ain't much! 

The wagon, however, has no other basis to work from, so, FAR more imagination and creation will be involved. 

And heck, NASCAR cars in the 60s vs their stock counterparts were FAR closer than a modern NASCAR car and its stock counterpart. Last I checked, Tauruses don't have pushrod V8s driving the rear wheels! 

 

John Roberts
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: AeroNed at aol.com
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Sent: Fri, Nov 27, 2009 9:53 pm
Subject: Re: <VV> Reply... Subject: 64 Wagon


I'm sure Mark's LM wagon will be just as "stock" as his '69 Corsa. Just  
like the cars in NASCAR are stock cars. Seriously, I don't see how anyone  can 
consider any of those cars as anything more than 100% customs, not that  
there's anything wrong with that.
 
Ned
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/27/2009 4:03:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
airvair at earthlink.net writes:

Well  Bill, you could also say that I had a '69 Corsa. But then, the purists
have  had a hissy fit over that one for decades. The difference is that my
'69  Corsa was pure stock. No custom paint job, no custom upholstery,  no
aftermarket fender skirts (and fender skirts were ALWAYS aftermarket on  a
Corvair - never "factory stock" by any means.) It was as pure stock as  you
could get, even down to the laquer paint color.

While the  factory DID offer tutone paint, they NEVER broke it up like
what's on  Smitty's car, and without a doubt wouldn't ever have done so
(unless maybe  you were buying a phone company car, or the like.) Nor did
they offer  upholstery on Corvairs that matched the kind of fabric and
assembly  variation that Smitty's car has. Regardless, any way you slice it,
is  certainly more gaudy than any Corvair the factory ever built in any
large  quantity. And it looks like the custom car that it is. You of anyone
should  know that it isn't "stock" enough to be called that.

And in the vein of  the '69 Corsa, my LM wagon will be closer to stock than
Smitty's car,  guaranteed. It'll have the stock paint layout, stock
upholstery pattern,  even a more stock overall look. So the fact that they
didn't build that  body style that year is irrelevant. What IS the point is
that sooner or  later one WILL exist. It exists now, just that the bodywork
isn't completed  yet. Would you say a car that hasn't had the restoration
bodywork completed  doesn't exist?

And in case you doubt that I don't admire Smitty for his  efforts at a
custom EM, think again. Anyone who has rebuilt/restored a car  has my
admiration. He's done a great job, and I especially admire his  driving it
all over creation. But I'm calling a spade a spade, and calling  Smitty's
car exactly what it is, a custom car. No disrespect intended  whatsoever.

Get over it.

-Mark


> [Original  Message]
> From: Bill Hubbell <whubbell at cox.net>
> Subject:  RE: <VV> Reply... Subject: 64 Wagon
>
> Mark is making an  absurd argument.  First of all, no matter what Mark 
does
> to  "imagineer" a Late Model station wagon, it will always be a more
>  fictional vehicle than Smitty's "64" wagon for the following  reasons:
>
> 1. GM actually did make EM wagons and Smitty's wagon  body is pure stock 
in
> that regard; Mark's won't be by any  stretch.
>
> 2. GM actually did offer two-tone paint for EM  vehicles, and, although
> Smitty's colors are not Factory Stock, who is  to say that they would not
> have been if a '64 wagon had been  made?  It was also possible to get
> 'custom' paint jobs from the  factory, and I suspect that had wagons been
> available in 1964 this  would have been a probable choice.
>
> 3. There actually were some  EM Corvairs (1961) that came with cloth/vinyl
> seats (much like  Smitty's wagon, although, again, not in that color).
>
> 4. Wheel  skirts were already an option for EM sedans and coupes.  It is
>  probable that they would have been available for wagons had they been  
made
> beyond 1962, so the fact that a '64 wagon would have them is  perfectly
> plausible.
>
> Bottom line, Mark, Smitty's '64  wagon IS a reality (and has been ever
since
> it was built in  1989).  For 20 years it has been plying the highways and
> byways  of this great country, logging over 300,000 miles (most of which
>  pulling a trailer or some other such thing) and generally showing  the
world
> exactly how BIG a mistake GM made by NOT making more of  them.  It has 
been
> an ambassador of Goodwill for ALL Corvairs for  longer than many VV 
readers
> have even OWNED a Corvair.  It's  value to our Corvair community has been
> validated by awards too many  to count, including Senior Class Concours,
> numerous 1st place  Autocross awards, etc.  It has earned our RESPECT and
>  ADMIRATION.
>
> Live with it.
>
>  Bill


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