<VV> Fw: Re: The EM vs LM thing
Ron
ronh at owt.com
Fri May 1 15:15:50 EDT 2009
No matter what the volume, I have a four door hardtop sedan!!!
RonH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenneth E Pepke" <kenpepke at juno.com>
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: <VV> Fw: Re: The EM vs LM thing
> Right Bill, but if I had said that 'someone' would have demanded
> I prove the volume of the rear seat area of EM and LM Corvairs
> with or without the rear seats :-[
> Ken P
>
>
>
> On Fri, 01 May 2009 13:56:58 -0400 Bill Elliott <corvair at fnader.com>
> writes:
>> If you're going to get "official", you're both wrong (well,
>> technically,
>> Ken is correct, but for the wrong reasons.):
>>
>> "The Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) distinguishes a coupé
>> from a
>> sedan primarily by interior volume; SAE standard J1100 defines a
>> coupé
>> as a fixed-roof automobile with less than 33 cubic feet (0.93 cubic
>> meters) of rear interior volume. A car with a greater interior
>> volume is
>> technically a two-door sedan, not a coupé, even if it has only two
>> doors."
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> airvair at earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>> >Ken,
>> >
>> >For someone who's as close to the auto industry as you, you are
>> woefully
>> >deluded. You need to get yourself an automotive dictionary. The
>> industry
>> >definition of a sedan is as I said. It has nothing to do with rows
>> of
>> >seats. Under your "definitions" would removing the back seat in my
>> 4door
>> >hardtop make it a coupe? I don't think so......
>> >
>> >-Mark
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>[Original Message]
>> >>From: Kenneth E Pepke <kenpepke at juno.com>
>> >>To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>> >>Date: 4/30/2009 8:20:46 AM
>> >>Subject: <VV> Fw: Re: The EM vs LM thing
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>This is not all that difficult ... in North America ...
>> >>
>> >>A coupe is a vehicle with one row of seats, Period.
>> >>
>> >>A sedan is a vehicle with two rows of seats, Period.
>> >>
>> >>All Corvair cars [not to include FCs] are sedans from the factory.
>> >>
>> >>EM Corvairs came in:
>> >> 2 door [pillar] sedans.
>> >> 4 door [pillar] sedans.
>> >> 2 door [pillarless] convertible sedans.
>> >> 4 door [pillar / extended roof] sedans commonly
>> >> referred to as station wagons.
>> >>
>> >>LM Corvairs came in:
>> >> 2 door [pillarless] sedans commonly referred to
>> >> as hardtops.
>> >> 4 door [pillarless] sedans commonly referred to
>> >> as 'sport sedans.'
>> >> 2 door [pillarless] convertible sedans.
>> >>
>> >>Over the years some Corvairs have been modified by
>> >>removing the area of the front or rear seat. Now with one
>> >>row of seats these vehicles qualify as either:
>> >>
>> >> 2 door coupes [steel fixed tops and roll up windows]
>> >> 2 door roadsters [soft or removable top but without
>> >> roll up windows.]
>> >> 2 door coupe convertibles [soft or removable top
>> >> and roll up windows.]
>> >>
>> >>Additional modifications I have seen are:
>> >> 4 door sedan convertibles [soft top and roll up
>> windows.]
>> >> 4 door extended wheelbase limousine [three or more rows
>> >> of seats even if only two rows of seats are installed.]
>> >>
>> >>Ken P
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:09:48 -0400 "airvair at earthlink.net"
>> >><airvair at earthlink.net> writes:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Definately prefer late models, because they are all hardtops.
>> None
>> >>>are
>> >>>sedans. Hardtops are sleeker without that "B" pillar. Must be why
>> >>>the
>> >>>hardtop was always considered the premium body style.
>> >>>
>> >>>I presently own two LM 4doors and a LM convert, all '67's. Over
>> the
>> >>>years
>> >>>I've owned 13 4doors, 4 convertables, 17 2doors, and 3
>> Greenbriers.
>> >>>Only
>> >>>one of the 4doors was a sedan. Of those, 11 were '67's, 5 were
>> >>>'69's, 11
>> >>>were '66's, 6 were '65's, and one each of '64 and '68 (the
>> 'briers
>> >>>were all
>> >>>'64's).
>> >>>
>> >>>Wouldn't mind owning a '62 Monza wagon and a '65 Greenbrier
>> deluxe
>> >>>8-door.
>> >>>But now I'm dreaming...... (G)
>> >>>
>> >>>-Mark
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>[Original Message]
>> >>>>From: Robert Marlow <Vairtec at optonline.net>
>> >>>>Subject: <VV> The EM vs LM thing
>> >>>>
>> >>>>So tell me, what do you own?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Early model only
>> >>>>Late model only
>> >>>>FC only
>> >>>>Early and late
>> >>>>Early and FC
>> >>>>Late and FC
>> >>>>Early, late and FC
>> >>>>
>> >>>>--Bob
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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