But a stick shift will start a whole lot easier without the starter working! Later, JR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kovacs" <kovacsmj at sbcglobal.net> To: "jryall" <jryall at juno.com> Cc: "VV" <virtualvairs at corvair.org> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 12:33 PM Subject: Re: <VV> Just for starters PG and Std are the same starter. MIKE KOVACS