<VV> Junkyards in NV & AZ
Ajkolaniak
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Fri Jan 30 11:35:09 EST 2009
Junkyards in NV & AZ
There's always Charlie Dye, I hear he has a decent collection of old Vairs..
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: FW: Why GM Went Broke (Sethracer at aol.com)
2. Junkyards in NV & AZ - warning, no membership content (Mike)
3. Re: The Aging Membership, ala VV ... (Bryan Blackwell)
4. Re: Email the Communique! (Thesuperscribe at cs.com)
5. Re: Email the Communique! (George Jones)
6. Re: Junkyards in NV & AZ - warning, no membership content
(J R Read_HML)
7. Re: VINTAGE CHEVY CLUB (Jay Ciampi)
8. Vintage Chevy Club (kaczmarek at charter.net)
9. Re: VINTAGE CHEVY CLUB (corvairduval at cox.net)
10. Re: Vintage Chevy Club (Wayne.Stutts at comcast.net)
11. CORSA (Richard/Gail Spiess)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 00:27:37 EST
From: Sethracer at aol.com
Subject: Re: <VV> FW: Why GM Went Broke
To: starfire11 at sbcglobal.net, virtualvairs at corvair.org
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In a message dated 1/29/2009 6:06:26 PM Pacific Standard Time,
starfire11 at sbcglobal.net writes:
From: Don Waldrop
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:54 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Why GM Went Broke
To be Fair - Keeping the EV1 on the street would have "broken" GM a lot
sooner.
If you want another view on the EV1 - This from a GM manager: (Talking about
the Volt)
ABG: Now I personally love this design and I think it's a really cool looking
car and have some exciting engineering there. But given what happened, with
the history of the EV1 there's going to be a lot of skeptics out there who
think "Oh no, another concept vehicle, they're never going to build this thing!"
Now, how would you respond to those people? The people who went out and watched
_Who Killed the Electric Car_
(http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/06/22/exclusive-qanda-with-chelsea-sexton-about-the-ev1-why-the-priu/) .
DB: Well, all I can tell them is we built a great electric car when we built
the EV1. We built it and it was a great car. We have our chairman and CEO
saying that we are committed to building the Chevy Volt and the E-Flex system.
It's necessary for our long-term future in this business. The issues facing us in
2007 are vastly different than we faced in the mid '90s when the EV1 was
available. There are many other reasons that we came to our decision to end
production and marketing of the EV1 that we are cognizant of so that as we build the
Chevy Volt and E-Flex system, that we address those, that we have the vehicle
that will appeal to more than 800 people, that may have a range. You may
never ever, ever have to fill up this vehicle on gasoline. Because the internal
combustion engine is basically a generator that charges the batteries. You may
never have to do anything but plug this baby in to your wall. You can seat more
than two people. It's got a nice trunk area where you can fit a lot of your
soccer equipment and this will not force you to make as many tradeoffs in your
transportation lifestyle that a small number of very enthusiastic, and
passionate and loyal people were willing to do with the EV1 but a mass market never
evolved. So those that are questioning our commitment to build this just
realize that we've done this before, we've done this in the past. We've learned from
that program and we intend to put it into this program so that it can be a
long-term vital option for us.
ABG: I think a big part of the skepticism comes from the fact that when the
EV1 program ended, you took those cars, you didn't let the people keep the cars
or buy the cars outright. I think that's a big reason behind that.
DB: There was a reason that we did not allow those vehicles that came off
lease expiration not to be purchased. We did not have the parts that we could
keep those vehicles serviced and maintained in a safe manner. We were not
building a gasoline version of the EV1 where we were continuing to make parts. There
were 2,000 unique parts on the EV1. One of them controlled the brakes. If that
part failed, it was a serious danger to the driver and to those around them.
Our parts suppliers left GM because we couldn't order parts from them and have
enough volume to make it vital for them to move forward with us. So we had to
cannibalize parts from other EV1s to keep those other cars going. We may not
have this problem with the Chevy Volt and the E-Flex because we'll be building
an entire volume. We couldn't allow a person to keep a vehicle that we didn't
have the confidence would be safe. It was a huge safety issue. So that's why
as the vehicles came off lease we put them in museums, we gave them to
colleges and we sent them to our engineers in New York for cold weather testing and,
yeah, we crushed and recycled the rest of them.
ABG: I know some of them did go to universities, such as the University of
Wisconsin, Madison.
DB: That's one and there's one at the Smithsonian, there's one in the
Peterson Automotive Museum. There's also one in the Henry Ford Museum. Many
universities across the country got them. So we still have some that are being used to
test lithium-ion batteries that are in the hands of our engineers.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:57:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike <mainevair at yahoo.com>
Subject: <VV> Junkyards in NV & AZ - warning, no membership content
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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Can any of you suggest good bone yards, junk yards, salvage yards in southern Nevada and central/north Arizona?? Ones with Corvairs would be super, but even if they only contain a collection of cars from the 50's, 60's & 70's would be cool.? I am looking from Las Vegas to Phoenix.? I don't have a particular part or car I am looking for... but us New England guys can enjoy a day in a good junkyard and often end up finding something we "need".
-Mike in Maine
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:24:34 -0500
From: Bryan Blackwell <bryan at skiblack.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> The Aging Membership, ala VV ...
To: virtualvairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:33 PM, tim mahler wrote:
> to respond to the Communications item George mentions and Bill did
> as well,
> I , tim, prefer to request comments about CORSA business to the
> Chapter
> Email list -- where the Chapter officers, and other interested
> parties are
> the forum members. Smaller communinity, but that list expects to
> hear
> about how to get more members and other things that affects the
> chapters as
> well as CORSA .
When we set up that list a few years ago, the idea was to have at
least one Chapter Officer on the list from every Chapter. If you
should be on that list, go to:
http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/chapters
or send a message to chapters-help at corvair.org with your club
affiliation and position.
>
> To me, VV is for Corvair specific issues -- engine problems, how to
> fix this
> or that, some occasional humor, ads, event announcements. Chapter
> list for
> the business meeting stuff . That's me.
> Scott, i've noticed, prefers to pose the questions to VV. Ned
> mostly to
> Corvair Center. That is their preference.
I suggest that event announcements should also go to the Chapters
list, in addition to VV.
>
> We have ALL stated in our columns, contact us. few do.
Very true, but I'd contend that a post to one of the above forums is
more likely to generate a response than a line in your column, if for
no other reason than the tool to reply immediately is already at hand.
I'll also point out that you listed only *three* of the current
Directors. I see some traffic from one or two others here (but
nobody else on the Chapters list), but I have to wonder why none of
the others post. I would expect to see regular communication
somewhere, or at least hear about it. At one point we saw regular
posts from several of the Directors, but that's no longer the case.
--Bryan
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:56:48 EST
From: Thesuperscribe at cs.com
Subject: Re: <VV> Email the Communique!
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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People who complain about a $15 a year dues increase are such cheapskates
that maybe we'd be better off without them. However, as at least one of them has
correctly suggested, CORSA could save a bunch of money by converting the
printed Communique -- the source of a lot of expense -- to an on-line version,
either by posting it on the website or by emailing it as a pdf file.
We in the Mid-Ohio Vair Force have done this with our Vair Voice newsletter
for a year now; so has the San Diego club with its Vairmail (which I edited for
five years and I can tell you that preparing a printed version is a LOT of
work). The emailed Vair Voice works well, saving us maybe $15 a month in
postage. That's not a lot of money, but we can spend that on other things. And we get
color pics that we'd otherwise not be able to afford in a printed version.
We'd also save printing and paper costs, but two long-time members who run a
printing business have done this gratis, and still do for the handful of members
who don't have email access.
CORSA could do the same thing -- mail out a printed version of the Communique
to members who request it, and charge them an extra fee for it. Those with
email addresses can take it electronically and use their printers to put a
physical version in their hands, if that's what they want (I do this with the Vair
Voice and Vairmail). Keep the format simple so it's easy to produce and read.
And forgo competing for the awards -- who cares, anyway? (Magazines I write
for enter and win awards, some with my name on them, but this is done mostly to
impress potential advertisers and massage our own egos, IMO.)
How much would CORSA save it the Communique converted to a simple emailed
format? Probably enough to avoid a dues increase, and maybe enough to cut the
dues (except for those who insist on a printed version). But I'd happily pay an
increase in dues to keep the organization going.
--Tom Berg
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:08:31 -0500
From: George Jones <65crownv8 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> Email the Communique!
To: virtualvairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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Please, lets not resort to name calling folks, that's a sure way to drive a
wedge between members. We don't need any more division than we already have.
Thanks,
George Jones
--------------------------------
Performance Corvair Group
Tidewater Corvair Club (since 1987)
Central Virginia Corvair Club (since 2006)
Corvair Society of America (CORSA)(since 1987)
'65 Monza Crown V8 Convertible
'66 Monza Coupe Custom
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:12:16 -0600
From: "J R Read_HML" <hmlinc at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: <VV> Junkyards in NV & AZ - warning, no membership
content
To: "Mike" <mainevair at yahoo.com>, <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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Do you get the Communique? Do you read the ADS in the back pages? Are you
really Charlie is disguise?
Later, JR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike" <mainevair at yahoo.com>
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 7:57 AM
Subject: <VV> Junkyards in NV & AZ - warning, no membership content
Can any of you suggest good bone yards, junk yards, salvage yards in
southern Nevada and central/north Arizona? Ones with Corvairs would be
super, but even if they only contain a collection of cars from the 50's,
60's & 70's would be cool. I am looking from Las Vegas to Phoenix. I don't
have a particular part or car I am looking for... but us New England guys
can enjoy a day in a good junkyard and often end up finding something we
"need".
-Mike in Maine
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:16:35 -0500
From: "Jay Ciampi" <jciampi at embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> VINTAGE CHEVY CLUB
To: "Dennis Pleau" <dpleau at wavecable.com>, <N2VZD at aol.com>,
<virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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They claim to have about 8,000 members worldwide.
Jay Ciampi
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:21:53 -0500
From: <kaczmarek at charter.net>
Subject: <VV> Vintage Chevy Club
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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8000 members, And I'll bet EVERY ONE OF THEM PAYS DUES TO THE NATIONAL ORGANIZATION. Unlike CORSA.
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:28:16 -0500
From: "corvairduval at cox.net" <corvairduval at cox.net>
Subject: Re: <VV> VINTAGE CHEVY CLUB
To: jciampi at embarqmail.com, dpleau at wavecable.com, n2vzd at aol.com,
virtualvairs at corvair.org
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I've been around long enough to remember when WE could say the same thing!
Frank DuVal
Every car crushed is another lost potential member
Original Message:
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From: Jay Ciampi jciampi at embarqmail.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:16:35 -0500
To: dpleau at wavecable.com, N2VZD at aol.com, virtualvairs at corvair.org
Subject: Re: <VV> VINTAGE CHEVY CLUB
They claim to have about 8,000 members worldwide.
Jay Ciampi
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:42:36 +0000
From: Wayne.Stutts at comcast.net
Subject: Re: <VV> Vintage Chevy Club
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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You are not a member of any club unless you pay dues!
Wayne
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> 8000 members, And I'll bet EVERY ONE OF THEM PAYS DUES TO THE NATIONAL
> ORGANIZATION. Unlike CORSA.
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:54:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Richard/Gail Spiess <spiessdg at yahoo.com>
Subject: <VV> CORSA
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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Can we stage a revolt and put the guy from Maine in charge?
Sorry, present Board.
Earlys are the best.
Dick
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