<VV> Board Meeting Conference Call Agenda
Scott Morehead
moreheadscott at yahoo.com
Fri Jan 2 17:20:15 EST 2009
Folks -
The CORSA Board is scheduled to have a meeting discussing the below topics of interest - If you would like to have input made known to the board - please send them (Board of Directors - email & telephone inside Communique) a note regarding your area of interest. Kind regards
January 2009, CORSA Board
Agenda items
1. Roster
2. Ad Rates
3. Chapter Insurance Filing
4. Third Tech Guide
5. Communique
6. Membership Issues & Dues
7. Board candidates – any help to find
good candidates appreciated.
8. Convention –
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: GM Design/ Manufacturing, humor. (JVHRoberts at aol.com)
2. Re: Engine knock diagnosis (Kenneth E Pepke)
3. video of my 66 Monza 110 PG with engine knock posted to
YouTube (Shari Hebrink)
4. Re: wiring question (Harry Yarnell)
5. Re: Corvair vs Falcon (Charlie G)
6. Re: Electric Motor Savings Tip - NO Corvair (Gary Swiatowy)
7. Re: Electric Motor Savings Tip - NO Corvair (John Kepler)
8. Re: Electric Motor Savings Tip - NO Corvair (Jay Ciampi)
9. Re: Corvair vs Falcon (J R Read_HML)
10. Re: Electric Motor Savings Tip - NO Corvair (Frank DuVal)
11. Re: video of my 66 Monza 110 PG with engine knock posted to
YouTube (cfm)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 06:39:09 EST
From: JVHRoberts at aol.com
Subject: Re: <VV> GM Design/ Manufacturing, humor.
To: ricknorris at suddenlink.net, hharpo at earthlink.net,
virtualvairs at corvair.org
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You're thinking of the guy who had no Monet to buy Degas to make his Van
Gogh....
In a message dated 1/1/2009 9:25:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
ricknorris at suddenlink.net writes:
Uhh,
Does that make it an "ear mark" design....
Wonder if he ever fought Mike Tyson??
TLH
> Gee Seth, whats your beef with the Pontiac Aztec? Pablo Picasso said it
> was a cool looking vehicle
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:49:14 -0500
From: Kenneth E Pepke <kenpepke at juno.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> Engine knock diagnosis
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Message-ID: <20090102.184914.-85614063.0.kenpepke at juno.com>
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The factory used a special main bearing at the flywheel
end of the engine. It was designed to silence a crankshaft
noise made by a sideways movement of the crank that
resembled a main bearing failure. My memory on this is a
little hazy on the exact details. Perhaps the 'hole' in the
bearing is offset .0006 towards the driver side. Very early
or rebuilt engines will probably not have this special bearing.
Have your drain oil analyzed to determine bearing content.
Ken P
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:02:09 -0500 <cmot at ix.netcom.com> writes:
> In the past I had seen strange difficult to diagnose lower
> end
> knocks in vehicles that sometimes seemed to come and go but were
> very loud
> and disturbing but ran fine.
> snip <
> Hope this helps. Good luck. Chet Motyka
>
> From: "Jedd Hebrink" <jhebrink at anvilcom.com>
> >
> > There does not
> > seem to be a direct relationship to the pace of the knocking and
> the
> > engine speed.
> >
> >> Jedd Hebrink
> > 66 Monza 110 PG
>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 22:16:32 -0600
From: "Shari Hebrink" <shamo at anvilcom.com>
Subject: <VV> video of my 66 Monza 110 PG with engine knock posted to
YouTube
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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Thanks to all for the suggestions regarding the knock in my recently rebuilt
110 PG. At the suggestion of CF Mann, I have posted a short video of the
engine running. The sound quality is not great when I play it back on my
computer, but I hope it may be enough for some of you to recognize the
problem and help me pinpoint the trouble before I tear into the engine
again.
HYPERLINK
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzOZ4xaH2lY"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x
zOZ4xaH2lY
Thanks again, and please keep the ideas and suggestions coming,
Jedd Hebrink
66 Monza 110 PG
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 07:36:12 -0500
From: "Harry Yarnell" <hyarnell1 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: <VV> wiring question
To: "Frank DuVal" <corvairduval at cox.net>, <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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Don't forget that the switch was moved from the bottom of the early 4
speeds (thru '65), to the side of the transmission.
Harry Yarnell
Perryman garage and orphanage
Perryman, MD
hyarnell1 at earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank DuVal" <corvairduval at cox.net>
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: <VV> wiring question
> True, however there are only two locations for the switch to connect to
> the wiring harness.
>
> The powerglides have the connector at the switch on the dash shifter.
>
> The three speed has its connector inside the tunnel, where the three
> speed switch is. Since the four speed came after the introduction of the
> three speed, GM didn't make another harness, they just specified several
> feet of cable attached to the switch so the leads could reach the three
> speed connector location in the tunnel.
>
> In 1966 the tunnel mounted three speed reverse switch was deleted, and
> the switch is on the transmission just like the 66 and later four speeds.
>
> Frank DuVal
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 04:52:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Charlie G <charliegwte at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> Corvair vs Falcon
To: VirtualVairs at corvair.org
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Found this analysis of interest:
"Car Wars
...
After giving Ralph his due, Corvair fans list the Mustang, horsepower, manufacturing costs, and cheap gas as the main reasons for the Corvair?s end. In a strange twist, some Corvair fans believe that Ralph Nader actually prolonged the life of the Corvair because General Motors didn?t want to give the impression that Nader had won. Let's look at the production numbers of the competing cars to see how these theories play out."? ...
http://www.calconnect.com/cars/car_wars/car_wars.htm
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:21:11 -0500
From: "Gary Swiatowy" <gswiatowy at rochester.rr.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> Electric Motor Savings Tip - NO Corvair
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Message-ID: <004001c96ce5$5cd45660$069f4342 at swiatowy9vy47b>
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Grant,
I did this last summer to both of the window motors in my 73 Thunderbird.
I was looking on e-bay for used or remanufactured motors to replace mine.
Drivers side I had to "help" as it skipped, and passenger side I could hear
but it would not move.
Found the guy selling the kits, and bought them. It took me longer to pull
the motors out than it did to fix them.
Amazing.........saved a couple hundred bucks by fixing them myself.
Most of the "rebuilts", that's all they have to replace.............
Gary Swiatowy
> From: Grant Young <gyoungwolf at earthlink.net>
> Subject: <VV> Electric Motor Savings Tip - NO Corvair
> I have just repaired the 5th and last window motor in my '93 Ford
> Explorer. I repaired the first one with a used motor from eBay, but upon
> disassembly discovered that they have plastic (Teflon?)gears and 3 plastic
> bushings inside. The bushings disintegrate over time and the window quits.
> I searched and found a "repair kit" composed of the 3 bushings on eBay for
> $2, so I purchased several kits. it takes about 5 minutes and a little
> grease to do the swap once the motor is removed. I have never found a
> damaged gear or other parts. I have since also repaired both window motors
> in my dad's '95 Cougar and the two headlight motors in my brother's '91
> Firebird, so these things must be pretty common. I figure I have saved
> about $700 over the past 2-3 years with these things. Drop me a line if
> you need more information (or want to send me yours to repair0. Happy New
> Year,
> The Windowmeister (Grant).
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:29:15 -0500
From: "John Kepler" <jekepler at amplex.net>
Subject: Re: <VV> Electric Motor Savings Tip - NO Corvair
To: "'Gary Swiatowy'" <gswiatowy at rochester.rr.com>,
<virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Message-ID: <AE4E59F3F4784E69BEF1B174D5CF014B at pickands2a209f>
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Found the guy selling the kits, and bought them. It took me longer to pull
the motors out than it did to fix them.
Amazing.........saved a couple hundred bucks by fixing them myself.
Most of the "rebuilts", that's all they have to replace............
Boys, boys, boys! You don't have to play with E-Pay! You can buy those
plastic puck-sets at ANY FLAPS! $1.99 the last time I bought one!
John
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:37:51 -0500
From: "Jay Ciampi" <jciampi at embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> Electric Motor Savings Tip - NO Corvair
To: "John Kepler" <jekepler at amplex.net>, "'Gary Swiatowy'"
<gswiatowy at rochester.rr.com>, <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Message-ID: <EF5C1BF4554747A19FD3A400C556FC06 at jayv2ddmkcmpyg>
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OK, what is "ANY FLAPS"? I never heard of them.
Jay Ciampi
Lake Placid, FL
1964 Monza cpe.
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:00:04 -0600
From: "J R Read_HML" <hmlinc at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: <VV> Corvair vs Falcon
To: <VirtualVairs at corvair.org>
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Thanks for that Charlie,
That puts the story into the historical perspective which I also believe to
be most correct.
I think that I will print that and have it with me in my Vairs.
Later, JR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie G" <charliegwte at hotmail.com>
To: <VirtualVairs at corvair.org>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: <VV> Corvair vs Falcon
> Found this analysis of interest:
>
> "Car Wars
> ...
>
> After giving Ralph his due, Corvair fans list the Mustang, horsepower,
> manufacturing costs, and cheap gas as the main reasons for the Corvair?s
> end. In a strange twist, some Corvair fans believe that Ralph Nader
> actually prolonged the life of the Corvair because General Motors didn?t
> want to give the impression that Nader had won. Let's look at the
> production numbers of the competing cars to see how these theories play
> out." ...
>
> http://www.calconnect.com/cars/car_wars/car_wars.htm
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 10:01:54 -0500
From: Frank DuVal <corvairduval at cox.net>
Subject: Re: <VV> Electric Motor Savings Tip - NO Corvair
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Message-ID: <495E2C62.2040302 at cox.net>
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Like these from Dorman Motormite Help line:
https://www.dormanproducts.com/cgi-bin/vm91corp30r/item-dtl.w?sid=kblikjkikOdiukdP008799773597410395&item=74410&icrid=&clt=hwrap1&vsrch_str=&vsrch_brand=all&vsrch_cat=Window%20Regulator%20Parts&st_amount=&end_amount=&start=&vfrom=&prev=&vnext=&category_list=1418:1296:0
FLAPS is friendly local auto parts store.
Frank DuVal
John Kepler wrote:
>Found the guy selling the kits, and bought them. It took me longer to pull
>the motors out than it did to fix them.
>Amazing.........saved a couple hundred bucks by fixing them myself.
>Most of the "rebuilts", that's all they have to replace............
>
>
>
>Boys, boys, boys! You don't have to play with E-Pay! You can buy those
>plastic puck-sets at ANY FLAPS! $1.99 the last time I bought one!
>
>John
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 07:46:05 -0800 (PST)
From: cfm <cfmann at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> video of my 66 Monza 110 PG with engine knock posted
to YouTube
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org, Shari Hebrink <shamo at anvilcom.com>
Message-ID: <851072.66799.qm at web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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put a shop towel on the floor, set the camera on it and hit record. Place the camera under the engine, the rev it like you did the first time. post that as a comparison to the first.
you were talking about a low end noise, maybe the sound can be captured from down below?
anyway, in listening to your first video, it sounded to me like the knock DOES increase in frequency as the engine speed is increased. I may be mistaken though...
second and last, I am not an expert, but the sound makes me think a piston slapping at the top of the cylinder??
-cfmann
--- On Fri, 1/2/09, Shari Hebrink <shamo at anvilcom.com> wrote:
From: Shari Hebrink <shamo at anvilcom.com>
Subject: <VV> video of my 66 Monza 110 PG with engine knock posted to YouTube
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 4:16 AM
Thanks to all for the suggestions regarding the knock in my recently rebuilt
110 PG. At the suggestion of CF Mann, I have posted a short video of the
engine running. The sound quality is not great when I play it back on my
computer, but I hope it may be enough for some of you to recognize the
problem and help me pinpoint the trouble before I tear into the engine
again.
HYPERLINK
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzOZ4xaH2lY"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x
zOZ4xaH2lY
Thanks again, and please keep the ideas and suggestions coming,
Jedd Hebrink
66 Monza 110 PG
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