<VV> [VV-talk] Taxes

[The Robbins]

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From: virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org [mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of jvhroberts at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 3:00 PM
To: corvair at fnader.com
Cc: alan.wesson at atlas.co.uk; corvairduval at cox.net; virtualvairs at corvair.org
Subject: Re: <VV> [VV-talk] Taxes


I was told some time ago, that we get 94% compliance on ALL income, 
reported and otherwise. There is little that sneaks through the cracks 
unreported. Now, we've all made some money selling this or that, but 
it's DAMN hard to have any substantial sum without a paper trail. I've 
never received a suitcase full of money, have you? Ever try to deposit 
a large sum of cash at a bank? THEY report it!

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Elliott <corvair at fnader.com>
To: jvhroberts at aol.com
Cc: alan.wesson at atlas.co.uk; corvairduval at cox.net; 
airvair at earthlink.net; virtualvairs at corvair.org
Sent: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 2:52 pm
Subject: Re: <VV> [VV-talk] Taxes









That's only true for _reported_ income... something close to 20% of
actual income is not reported and is therefore not calculated in
"expected tax revenue". So if we can identify it, we do a good job of
collecting it. Identifying it is the problem... which is where the 50%
rate in the UK comes from. 
 

Bill 
 

jvhroberts at aol.com wrote: 
 

>I was told once, not sure how true it is, the tax compliance rate in
>this nation, measured as actual tax revenue vs. expected tax revenue,
>is 94%. Apparently WE don't have much trouble collecting income taxes! 

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>-----Original Message----- 

>From: Alan and Clare Wesson <alan.wesson at atlas.co.uk> 

>To: Frank DuVal <corvairduval at cox.net>; airvair at earthlink.net; Vi
rtual
>Vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org> 

>Sent: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 2:09 pm 

>Subject: Re: <VV> [VV-talk] Taxes 

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>A friend of mine who works for the British Treasury told me once that
>the 

>reason the government is so fond of sales taxes in general and gas tax
>in 

>particular is because it is much harder to evade and easier to collect
>than 

>income tax. 

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>The collection rate for income tax is well under 50% and the number of 

>allowances is breathtaking. On the other hand, the collection rate for
>gas 

>tax is 100%, the people who collect it pay all the costs, and there 
are
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>allowances. 

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>So although sales tax in general and gas tax in particular are very
>unfair 

>and regressive taxes (they act disproportionately on those least able
>to 

>afford it), the government loves them. I suspect Senator Obama is just
>about 

>to work out from the example set by his nice friend Mr Brown how
>wonderful 

>gas taxes are, too. 

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>Although actually the person who set the precedent of not spending gas
>taxes 

>on the roads was... Winston Churchill! So you see, he wasn't perfect! 

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>And next time anyone tel
ls you that the purpose of taxing gas is to
>Save The 

>World, you can set them straight. 

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>Cheers 

> 

>Alan 

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>----- Original Message ----- 

>From: "Frank DuVal" <corvairduval at cox.net> 

>To: <airvair at earthlink.net>; "Virtual Vairs" 
<virtualvairs at corvair.org> 

>Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:50 PM 

>Subject: Re: <VV> [VV-talk] Taxes 

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>>Mark, just me in the middle. 

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>>I do not like consumption taxes (sales tax, VAT in England), but I 

>>wondered why you say they are soak the working people  taxes? If I
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>>make 20K a year, then I shouldn't spend more than 20K in a year, so 
my 

>>tax will be based on the 20K I spent. If I make 200K a year, seems to
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>me 

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>>I will spend WAAYY more than 20K a year, so my tax paid will be VERY 

>>larger! If I am unbeleiveable in frugality, and I saved 5k of my 20k, 

>>then my tax base will be smaller. It encouages saving, something the 

>>current tax laws do not. 

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>>What's bourgeoisie about that? 

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>>Frank DuVal 

>>Agreeing that all taxes are paid by consumers, just as higher prices. 

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0A>>airvair at earthlink.net wrote: 

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>>>Consumption taxes? There you go again, trying to hide the tax load 
by 

>>>spreading it around under different names. Thought the original
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>discussion 

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>>>was about whether all taxes were to be directly paid by the
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>individual. 

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>>>That would require ONE tax bill, due as a lump sum. So let's get 
back
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>>>the original discussion of ONE tax bill. 

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>>>Besides that, a "consumption" tax nothing but a "soak the working
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>people" 

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>>>scheme. It's promoted by the filthy rich because it's a way for them
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>>>shift their tax burden off onto the working class. A bourgeoisie 
idea
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>>>there ever was one. Trouble is, some middle class people are so
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>deluded as 

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>>>to actually believe that hogwash. 

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>>>-Mark 

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